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Playing and singing at the same time

exaN

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Hey guys, I've been trying lately to learn how to sing because I'd like to get more gigs. The thing is, I SUCK at playing and singing at the same time. My voice isn't too bad I can sing some basic rock songs, but I'm really having a hard time doing both at the same time.

You guys have any tips to get better at this? :sad1:
 
- Practice the guitar parts until you can do them without thinking about it and without looking at the guitar

- Use that free brainpower (now that you're on "autopilot" with the guitar) to focus on singing

- As you practice doing both together, you'll get the mental timing down (singing+playing)

- If you have to, start out by doing the song slower, then work up to speed
 
Practice.  Seriously, I know, not what you wanted to hear, but you need to keep at it.  My advice would be to pick one song you really want to be able to play and keep working on that.  It also helps to start with the rhythm part when singing and not some insanely complex solo.  :)
 
Yeah let's say I can sing To Be With You from Mr. Big without much problem but right now I'm trying You Shook Me All Night Long by AC/DC and it's a real pain :sad1:. I can do both part separately but when I try to do both it goes either guitar timing or voice timing in my head.
 
Remember when all you could do was play a few chords, and never thought you would learn lead, then you knew some leads but thought, damn how do I improvise, now you have a list of 9 scales or modes you can do without thinking, well you got there by practicing, I started singing by singing back up, so I only had to do the harmony parts and if I dropped out, WTF, the other guys had it, until then I didn't even bother learning lyrics, soon I was singing the entire songs, just only my parts into the mic.
Practice.
 
exaN said:
Yeah let's say I can sing To Be With You from Mr. Big without much problem but right now I'm trying You Shook Me All Night Long by AC/DC and it's a real pain :sad1:. I can do both part separately but when I try to do both it goes either guitar timing or voice timing in my head.

You want to try something tough ... "The Beautiful People" by Marylin Manson.  The backup "hey" vocals are off-time with the guitar/bass rhythm.  Talk about walking and chewing gum at the same time! ???
 
+1 on slowing down.

S L O W it W A A A A Y down.  Like, "What am I, retarded?" slow.

Also, get your foot tapping the time, or use a metronome or drum machine.

Bagman
 
i gave up that along time ago... i cant sing anyway and my range is bloody aweful, but i could always play better then i sang so i focused entirely on guitar.

i know that as an exercise  for learning the cycle of 5th/4ths and learning what chord you are playing, is to create an order in which to play them, and say them outloud as you do, its a hard task but soon you just know where your hands go without needing to think about it.

the hardest part without a doubt is playing a rhythm on guitar and singing a different rhythm. often your hands want to play in sync with the spoken syllable. im sure there are many ways to do this.

Practice is obviously the key, my advice is to focus on the 2 different rhythms your creating. without thinking about pitch or guitar chords. mute everything, and say the worded rhythm with your mouth, and then play the guitar rhythm then try and do both, before long you will be know both well enough to keep yourself in time, which is useful if you ever find your drummer speeding up or the likes.

lets say you want to sing the phrase.

"Puppy dogs need a bath every day."

obviously you could sing this in a huge variety of ways. the way this is going to go is this.

Pu-ppy dogs need a bath, ev-e-ry day
1    +      2      3    +   4  |  1  + 2   +   3   4
or you could say
coffee tea, coffee tea, coffee coffee tea tea

now the guitar rythym might be syncopated

1 AND 2 3 4 AND | rest AND rest AND rest rest

tyring to tap those 2 rhythms with 2 seperate hands will be a nightmare, imagine throwing in some rediculas chords and vocal lines.


Obviously not everyone that sings and plays does this. but for me if i was, this is the method i would use cause it would keep me on track of exactly what to do musically and let me know exactly what was going on, there is no way you could break it down further then that. therefore you can't go wrong with this method.


its always a good idea to analyse yourself within a counting based context.
 
Superlizard said:
Beer can make it seem easier...

...just like most things -plus- beer.

:laughing7:

+1 except I drink a glass of wine - stronger and way less residual sugar. Wimpy I know but it works, not saying that I can sing like a crooner.
 
PT said:
Superlizard said:
Beer can make it seem easier...

...just like most things -plus- beer.

:laughing7:

+1 except I drink a glass of wine - stronger and way less residual sugar. Wimpy I know but it works, not saying that I can sing like a crooner.

Hell, I can sing like a drunk WITHOUT any wine.  Or beer.

Bagman
 
PT said:
Superlizard said:
Beer can make it seem easier...

...just like most things -plus- beer.

:laughing7:

+1 except I drink a glass of wine - stronger and way less residual sugar. Wimpy I know but it works, not saying that I can sing like a crooner.

Does rhum works :toothy10:?

Anyways thanks for the advices guys, I'll go practice some more now :P.
 
When i was first learning to play and sing together, it really helped to clean up my strumming pattern.  I had to first spend time focusing on using downstrokes on the beat and upstrokes for the "ands" of the beat (i.e. 1 AND 2 AND 3 AND 4 AND...) 

So, with this method, when i'm playing and singing, my picking hand looks like a metronome, it's always moving down on the beat even if i'm not playing when it's moving.

Once i got that down, it was so much easier to not think about playing, and then you can focus more on singing. 

A song like the ACDC one you mentioned is a perfect example of how this method can really help, since the riff is so syncopated.  You can get to the point where you can play it without thinking because your picking hand is always moving, not just when it's time to play the next chord (which would require more concentration).

I hope that all made sense...
 
You need to get your picking hand in time with your vocals.  Once those are aligned (and it will take awhile) then you'll be on your way.

The usual method - slow it way down and use a metronome - will get you there with the typical pain and agony.  Have fun! :icon_biggrin:
 
POLYRHYTHMS!

I hear a lot of good points so far. I mostly think it comes from straight practice and starting with simpler songs.
One I would advise is "Holy Ghost"- by Laguardia. Certain songs will just push you in the right direction; that one definitely helped ME.

picking hand metronome is pretty much how I do it, too, whenever I pull that song out. You'll see. :guitaristgif:
 
I used to think that was something you could just do or couldn't; it couldn't be learned.  It was always hard for me but has gotten easier.  Believe or not, playing bass helped.  Rather than falling into a strumming pattern like playing a rhythm guitar track, bass is really constant riffing, and most non-Jazz music involves locking in with a kick drum.  If a guitar wasn't in hand, an exercise I did would be to keep a beat with both hands on your legs.  The rhythm or tempo with one hand, and the accent beat with the other, while singing.  I'll find too, it's easier when not concentrating on it.  Everybody can do that while driving with hands on the wheel and radio jamming, but sitting still and trying to do it...not so easy.
 
I feel your pain, I suck so bad, that when the wife asks me a question, with a yes or no answer, I have to stop playing to answer her.
 
I started out playing and trying to sing, but then I was told I was upsetting the dogs in the neighbourhood with my howling and to cease and desist! I was also told by a professional engineer once, who heard me warbling in a vocal booth as we set it up for level checks for a vocal session, that I sounded a cross between George Harrison, Bob Dylan and Neil Young all singing off key.   :sad:

Comments like that kinda tell me it ain't wise to let loose with the vocal chords too often!......... But I have always threatened.. :evil4:.

Tbh tho, I have found it difficult to play and sing, although I recently found myself warbling away while playing my custom acoustic, the darn thing is so comfy I can place my fingers in the chord shapes pretty accurately without much concentration. So I guess if I build an electric that is just as good, I could find myself about to do it in songs that I play electric.. I dunno if the free world is ready for that.  :laughing7:
 
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