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Old Martin thoughts...

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Well yesterday I went over to my girlfriends grandparents house to have dinner. For a while now her grandfather has been talking to me about a guitar that he bought years ago. Finally I got chance to look at it and low and behold, it is a Martin nylon string (gut strings still attached) acoustic. I looked it over and it is in rough shape. The wood was all pretty solid, and the finish was acceptable. However the frets had all wiggled themselves loose, and there were more than a few that I could pull out with almost no resistance. I jotted down all the numbers and such that I could find and went home to check things out. After tracing the serial number I found that it was made in 1900! I was blown away. Its a pretty cool guitar, but what are your thoughts about having work done on it? They want to restore it and sell it, and I tried to make them realize that it doesn't really work like that in the guitar industry, where if something isn't 100% original its worth about 10% of anything you might see on the market.

Thoughts?
 
get an estimate from a pro, it seems it has not been very well cared for and that could be a deal breaker, this is not a Strat, it is in an entire different market.
If the expert says to restore it bring it to a very good luthier who can work on old acoustics, the methods they used back then to build a guitar are far from the production methods used today.
 
Yeah I think in most appraisals you hear that they'd rather see things original and flawed because of the history it represents, frets might be unique though since it wouldn't alter the finish or construction...  I don't suppose the Antiques Road Show is coming through your neck of the woods any time soon?  :dontknow:
 
Don't know where you're located, but you might want to give these guys a call, Jim Baggett's occasionally a guest expert on Antiques Roadshow, and people ship vintage acoustics to them from around the country for repairs:

http://www.massstreetmusic.com/store/show_info/3-Repairs

Do you live somewhere where there is a local luthier with serious experience working on pre-war Martins?

Your friend's grandfather might do better selling the guitar "as-is" than hassling with/spending money on doing a restoration job...
 
The loose frets might be the end result of fretboard wood shrinkage/drying out over time?

But you wanna take that guitar to a luthier who has handled such instruments before, not someone who might be the licenced Martin repairer in your area & only used to relatively new guitars. Someone who has worked with old acoustics or jazzers and knows the perils of what is within. The tuning pegs could be fragile, the bridge as well.....lots of stuff that could need some serious professional restoration...That doesn't mean it will devalue the instrument, but it obviously hasn't had decades of seasonal repair work to keep it in trim and now it needs restoring.

I would bet if you found someone interested in the guitar as is, they'll be factoring in the cost of restoration into their offer. Who wouldn't want to own something like that guitar and not have it playable!..So I wouldn't think a restoration is going to harm your sell price eventually - so long as the restoration in minimally invasive and strives to preserve existing parts.....Things like 'provenance' also loom large in the sale price, if it is for sale, and the fact the Grandfather has had it for so long speaks plenty of provenance, but if there's any documentation with the guitar that would hep the provenance greatly. Also, should you end up getting the guitar restored, get the luthier to specify in writing what work they did, that will help with provenance. Ideally, you want an old guitar that is in original condition, well, that is what it is now, but the condition of the instrument is poor.The poor condition will affect the value. If it had been a working guitar, it would have been overhauled a few times now with fret jobs and bridge & tuner replacements, and that could have de-valued the instrument if the work had not been specified and done to a professional and minimally invasive standard. Now is your chance to strike the happy medium, get the guitar back to it's old glory and have it properly restored. It will probably never be as valuable as a museum piece that has been professionally conserved for the last 50 years, but you can aim to restore it to near new condition or as close as you can get, and keep in mind that it is better to restore old parts than replace them.

Quite frankly, if you are in the USA, I'd suggest ringing up Martin themselves, speaking to their custom shop luthiers there and asking them who to trust with quotes etc. for the restoration. Out of interest for an old instrument they may give you pointers on what work might lay ahead.

Will be interesting how it all turns out and any photos possible just out of curiosity?
 
While a guitar in its original state is generally more desireable than one that has been altered or restored, George Gruhn says that for issues that affect the playability of an instrument, its best to have the guitar professionally restored to a playable condition. 

The question is whether the trouble and expense of getting the restoration will result in a high enough price to justify the work rather than selling it as is.

Its definitely worth looking into.  For the few times I've dealt with luthiers in repairing acoustic instruments (a 90 year old banjo and a 20 year old guitar), I was really surprised at how affordable their repairs were.

My brother just got our Great Grandfather's old mahogany parlor guitar totally restored, and while not cheap, it resulted in a fine playing instrument that until now was just good for hanging on the wall.
 
jackthehack said:
Don't know where you're located, but you might want to give these guys a call, Jim Baggett's occasionally a guest expert on Antiques Roadshow, and people ship vintage acoustics to them from around the country for repairs:

http://www.massstreetmusic.com/store/show_info/3-Repairs

Do you live somewhere where there is a local luthier with serious experience working on pre-war Martins?

Your friend's grandfather might do better selling the guitar "as-is" than hassling with/spending money on doing a restoration job...

Great post - Jim Baggett sounds like the ideal opinion to seek out.  Maybe you'd be able to get an appraisal over Skype or with hi-res photos if you're not close enough to drive to him?
 
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