My Very Complex Strat Schematic

[minions]

Complex Strat Mod

This is a Strat schematic that I am going to use on my custom Warmoth Strat but I am fairly new to wiring and just want to make sure that it makes sense, works, and is accurate.

I've incorporated various elements from wiring mods from the guitar wiring site 1728.com including Funky Five Switching, WolfWire Ultra Strat Mod, a Solo Switch as well as the Fender TBX tone control seen on Eric Clapton's and Buddy Guy's Strats. On the diagram, S/P stands for series/parallel switch.

I'm using two Strat single coils (the middle position is a hum-canceling DiMarzio pickup) and one Seymour Duncan P-Rails Humbucker.

The features include:
    • 3 On/Off SPST Switches for each pickup
    • 2 SPDT Switches for the P-Rails for:
        - Rail Coil
        - P-90 Coil
        - Both Coils in Series
        - Both Coils in Parallel
    • Phase Reversal Switch for the bridge pickup
    • Series/Parallel Switch for all pickups
    • Treble-Bleed Master Volume,
    • TBX Tone Control





Thanks.

 

[MUYFUE]

...quite an ambitious project.
I think everythign makes sense. If yu are new to wiring, I might have a pro do it.

• 2 SPDT Switches for the P-Rails for:
        - Rail Coil
        - P-90 Coil
        - Both Coils in Series
        - Both Coils in Parallel

That part makes me scratch my head. The coil selector should be a 3 way mini: rail, p-90 or both. THEN have the 2 way mini selecting series or parallell when both coils are engaged.

 

[bpmorton777]

probably wont need the treble bleed on that with 500k pots and master tone/vol Ive never needed one on my guitars that are wired this way.

Brian

 

[Orpheo]

...quite an ambitious project.
I think everythign makes sense. If yu are new to wiring, I might have a pro do it.

• 2 SPDT Switches for the P-Rails for:
        - Rail Coil
        - P-90 Coil
        - Both Coils in Series
        - Both Coils in Parallel

That part makes me scratch my head. The coil selector should be a 3 way mini: rail, p-90 or both. THEN have the 2 way mini selecting series or parallell when both coils are engaged.

no, what was given is correct. THE way you describe it, wont work.

 

[MUYFUE]

Told you im scratchin my head... :icon_jokercolor:

Funny thing about me, I just get pickups that sound the way I like 'em.  :tard:

I see the way the outputs are routed, I get it.  :tard:

 

[tfarny]

To me the diagram seems okay, but why exactly do you want this? It seems like a nightmare to use in a live situation. That will give you 16 out-of-phase combos (right?) for instance - but how many of those are even useful or distinctive? My guess is 2 at the most, and you'll have to flip as many as four switches to get to those good ones once you figure them out. Just an opinion.

 

[MUYFUE]

To me the diagram seems okay, but why exactly do you want this? It seems like a nightmare to use in a live situation. That will give you 16 out-of-phase combos (right?) for instance - but how many of those are even useful or distinctive? My guess is 2 at the most, and you'll have to flip as many as four switches to get to those good ones once you figure them out. Just an opinion.

Funny thing about me, I just get pickups that sound the way I like 'em.  :tard:

That's what I'm sayin.

 

[bpmorton777]

it has been pointed out in other threads by other folks that if someone wants all the possible combos on his guitar he should try them for the fun/experience. once he finds out what he likes he can instal those functions on his next guitar. :sign13:

Brian

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

In my experience, more pickup selections is often redundant, confusing, and not practical, IMO.  More or less a +1 to Tfarny.  It would be great if humans could learn w/out doing.

 

[Jet-Jaguar]

If people didn't experiment, this would be a very slow and boring forum.

Back to the OT, is there any reason why you're not using a triple-shot on the P-Rail?

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

We have experimented, and are sharing our findings.  Besides, this isn't like discovering penicillin or something.

 

[Mor Paul]

We have experimented, and are sharing our findings.  Besides, this isn't like discovering penicillin or something.

That wasn't experimentation. That was improper disposal, if I remember correctly  :toothy10:

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

touche'

 

[Alfang]

Hey Minions, did you draw this schematic?  Maybe I'm the only one here that looked at it, or i am missing something, but that schem won't work,  I see several major flaws.

1)  with the phase reverse switch in the up position ( as drawn) you ground your signal path that is going to s/p and ultimately to VOL

2)  you are selecting pups by closing switches, ie...close switch turns off that pup. with the bridge switch closed, you ground your signal path reguardless of phase reversal switch position.  No sound from any pup.

3)  when the middle switch is closed AND S/P is down, signal goes to ground.

4)  theres a few more scenarios where switches in certain spots combined with other switch settings create no sound

I like how you designed the solo switch to litteraly bypass all potts and go straight out, i'd like to hear if theres a difference in sound.

So you are trying to series parallel all pups, phase reverse and split the bridge?        I'll see if I can find something, if max don't beat me to it.  I gotta take a break, my head hurts from staring at your schematic  :tard:

 

[Mor Paul]

You can take this one, Alf. I'm not a wiring expert yet, but it's something I plan to try to tackle sometime.

 

[tfarny]

I don't see the problem with the phase reversal by itself, but alf you're right there are very many ways to switch this sucker totally off by accident. You'll have to memorize probably 8 or ten unique switch combos to avoid that ground out your axe completely.
I doubt there's any way to avoid it with that many possibilities.

 

[Alfang]

Tfarny, If you look at the switch nearest the P-Rail pup, you will see one terminal is grounded. Follow that wire over to the bottom left term on the phase reversal, which is connected to the top right of same switch. That is connected all the way to the output via the S/P and Solo switch. So with the phase reversal switch in the schematical up position.....Short.  (the "up" setting connects right center and top right together.)

I actually have been working on this, But I'd like a better description from the OP as to what he wants, To series ALL 3 pups is gonna take a 4pole double throw switch, and those are like $25.00 (4pole because I can't find a 3 pole)

I don't know much about p-rail pups, but looking at the seymour duncan site, they are apparently a P-90 and single coil combined. I suggest he forget the phase reversal, as that never sounds good IN MY OPINION, and instead switch between single coil, P-90 and full humbucker mode, easily done with one 3way switch on-off-on

Like this but with half the switch and one P-rail  http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=prails_wiring