Ok so i was going to get a PRS singlecut but i cant afford 3 grand for a guitar. I have seen some nice LP warmoth cuts on here but i was curious on somethings. Beings the Les Paul and PRS are one piece and not bolted on with the neck how much difference in play does that make it. I have owned shecter guitars with the neck and body as one and loved it but i was curous about the LP style with the bolt on neck. Also never owned a warmoth guitar before how are there LP bodies and the actual warmoth neck the sell?
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One piece? I've never seen a guitar made of a one piece of guitar... They're set neck, not even neck-through-body...
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GoDrex said:
Whoa there - if the man wants to spend money at W, we should let him.
Bolt-on guitars work well. I've owned and played 'real' gibson LesPauls and they did not necessarily sound better. In fact, my late 70's gold top was probably the worst sounding guitar I've ever owned.
Go for the Warmoth - they really are great guitars. Be prepared to learn about setting up guitars and spend some money on setup tools however.
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If you get a neck with fat back profile and 24-3/4" scale it probably will sound very LP, but I've never really played one...
set neck is what i meant lol i just couldnt get the words on the page so i said one piece lol. I have put together guitars before so i can do it just wanted to see how the quality of the warmoth body and neck are. Plus i can build it piece by piece which is better because i wont have to try and save a massive amount which the wife may dip into lol and ill never get what i want. This way if i can get the body done and then work on the neck later at least i have half of the battle done.
Makes sense in my book lol may not be that way to others
Makes sense in my book lol may not be that way to others
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He's perfectly free to get one. Me saying that won't stop him from getting one if he wants one. I just think that all of the guys that come in here (probably 1 or 2 a month) worried about bolt on necks should not buy bolt on neck LP type guitars. I really believe that if it's a worry for them, they should get a guitar with a set neck or a neck through and then be happy and never worry that they made the wrong choice.
There is a huge mental issue regarding LP style guitars with bolt on necks and I totally understand it. I think it's fine to think that way, because I have certain irrational feelings about certain kinds of gear. I get it. I think that if a bolt on neck on and LP body is an issue for you, do not buy one.
For some people an LP has a glued on set neck - end of discussion. If you're having doubts, don't get a bolt on one, because you don't want to get it and then always be wondering in the back (or front) of your mind if you made a mistake. Not only that, you don't get to try it out before you buy it.
Be sure to read what everyone else says. This is all just my opinion. A vast amount of the best guitar music ever performed or recorded was done on guitars with bold on necks. But that may not be enough to get past the mental confusion caused by a bolt on neck on a LP body.
There is a huge mental issue regarding LP style guitars with bolt on necks and I totally understand it. I think it's fine to think that way, because I have certain irrational feelings about certain kinds of gear. I get it. I think that if a bolt on neck on and LP body is an issue for you, do not buy one.
For some people an LP has a glued on set neck - end of discussion. If you're having doubts, don't get a bolt on one, because you don't want to get it and then always be wondering in the back (or front) of your mind if you made a mistake. Not only that, you don't get to try it out before you buy it.
Be sure to read what everyone else says. This is all just my opinion. A vast amount of the best guitar music ever performed or recorded was done on guitars with bold on necks. But that may not be enough to get past the mental confusion caused by a bolt on neck on a LP body.
and your opinion as well as others is why i ask questions. Im not that picky with the bolt on or set neck just curious. I have only been playing for 7 years self taught and thats on and off play because of my wife and kid and deployments so i never had much time to pay that much attention to the difference.
however i do like building stuff that fits to me that most companies cant do without me having to mod it anyway lol. So this i can at least get it to were i want it and call it my own guitar custom made to me, if that makes sense
however i do like building stuff that fits to me that most companies cant do without me having to mod it anyway lol. So this i can at least get it to were i want it and call it my own guitar custom made to me, if that makes sense
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So, no problem in getting a bolt-on neck, right?
I say again, get a Boat neck or '59 Roundback neck and be happy!
I say again, get a Boat neck or '59 Roundback neck and be happy!
Gary has a point of course, but notice that he plays a bolt-on Warmoth LP, as I do and a lot of other guys on here. And they rock! The quality is in general fantastic. I've owned a couple of real Les Pauls and my warmoth is better than those in every way, and the bolt-on is not inferior to a set neck. If anything it's the set neck which is inferior.Also I can't recall a single person coming on here who made a Warmoth LP and regretted it.
If you really wanted two pieces of wood to be solidly connected, and transmit vibrations from one piece to another, would you choose glue or 4 long heavy wood screws and a metal plate? I would take the screws.
If you really wanted two pieces of wood to be solidly connected, and transmit vibrations from one piece to another, would you choose glue or 4 long heavy wood screws and a metal plate? I would take the screws.
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tfarny said:
This is a good point that a lot of people ignore.
And another point: I think the common "set-necks-have-more-sustain" line is a myth. I've still never seen anything in my experience that suggests that having a set neck creates more sustain in and of itself. Set necks are usually associated with guitars that tend to have other elements of construction that facilitate sustain, such as Les Pauls with their mahogany woods and string angles, which I think is where all this comes from. I might be able to see someone make a case for true neck-through guitars.
I like the idea of a bolt-on LP neck, and I also like the option to have an LP in a longer, Fender-ish scale since at times I do like to downtune a bit. Warnoth's heel contour is a nice touch, and like details like having them drop in a rout for a double-battery box cheap are all plusses for me.
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Orpheo said:
I hope you're not the guy who beat me out for this eBay one a few days ago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300337365156&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT
If you are, I don't even have ONE yet you greedy **** lol...
I tried to work out something with the Warmoth sales guys for this one last week but no dice. They want $750 which isn't unreasonable just a little too much for me. One day.
jay4321 said:Orpheo said:
I hope you're not the guy who beat me out for this eBay one a few days ago:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300337365156&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT
If you are, I don't even have ONE yet you greedy **** lol...
I tried to work out something with the Warmoth sales guys for this one last week but no dice. They want $750 which isn't unreasonable just a little too much for me. One day.
will they haggle?
Seems to me you are asking 2 questions here:SnakeGS said:
1. Tone - . A bolt neck guitar can have very good sustain if the neck to body interface is done correctly and is tight. A tight body / neck interface is essential for maximum tone and sustain. An option here is to use bolts rather than screws. See this site: http://www.onyxforgeguitars.com/Insert%20kit.html
2. Quality - I have a Warmoth Tele body and neck and the quality is superb - can't see any reason why the LP style would be any different
Hope that helps your decision making :glasses9:
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Well, with me it wasn't a money thing. In other words, I didn't settle for a Warmoth because I couldn't afford what I wanted. In fact, my Warmoths cost as much, maybe a little more than if I had bought a comparable name brand. But, that name brand would have been settling. There were a few custom options that I wanted more that weren't available on a store bought guitar.
Here's another thing. You said you like building things, so this may be right up your alley, and you may have bit off more than you can chew. Warmoth is a parts company, and although they do sell direct replacement parts designed to fit Fenders, it ain't that easy. For the most part they do bolt right up, and the pickup wiring is as easy or complex as you want it to be. However, it will require a setup. Some can do this, some can't. The frustration may come when you spend money on this and still have to spend a few more bucks or time to get it playable.
Here's a few things you or someone will have to drill for. Pickguard/pickup rings/EVH mounting, tuners, jack plate, and strap buttons. You or someone will have to intonate it. I have yet to have a Warmoth installed nut that didn't need lowering. This is by design, they come high so you can lower them to your preference. Little things like that are what make them playable and what makes a guitar feel good.
Here's another thing. You said you like building things, so this may be right up your alley, and you may have bit off more than you can chew. Warmoth is a parts company, and although they do sell direct replacement parts designed to fit Fenders, it ain't that easy. For the most part they do bolt right up, and the pickup wiring is as easy or complex as you want it to be. However, it will require a setup. Some can do this, some can't. The frustration may come when you spend money on this and still have to spend a few more bucks or time to get it playable.
Here's a few things you or someone will have to drill for. Pickguard/pickup rings/EVH mounting, tuners, jack plate, and strap buttons. You or someone will have to intonate it. I have yet to have a Warmoth installed nut that didn't need lowering. This is by design, they come high so you can lower them to your preference. Little things like that are what make them playable and what makes a guitar feel good.
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to me a was a choice of getting EXACTLY what a wanted.
Gibson/Epiphone did not offer the color I wanted AND a wanted a slightly slimmer neck...(standard thin).
To me it was not a compromise...the price point was somewhere between a Gibson and Epiphone. The bolt on neck was not an issue...besides we get to have all those cool custom neck plates.
And yes...it plays and sound just as good or better. If fact I have thought about getting a "real" Les Paul since the passing of Les, and have been dissappointed when actually playing the guitars...
Gibson/Epiphone did not offer the color I wanted AND a wanted a slightly slimmer neck...(standard thin).
To me it was not a compromise...the price point was somewhere between a Gibson and Epiphone. The bolt on neck was not an issue...besides we get to have all those cool custom neck plates.
And yes...it plays and sound just as good or better. If fact I have thought about getting a "real" Les Paul since the passing of Les, and have been dissappointed when actually playing the guitars...
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