Lennon Tribute Mooncaster....

BigSteve22

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So, I've been thinking of doing a Mooncaster for a while now, just couldn't decide what I wanted to do with it. I also wanted to do a P-90 project. Over the last few weeks I was looking at the different Casino models and it occurred to me that I could make a reasonable facsimile of a Casino, at least in looks, by properly appointing a Mooncaster. The result would be kind of the ba$tard child of a Casino and a Jazzmaster, an offset, solid bodied, Casino clone. A "Casinocaster", if you will.

Here's the basics. The body is available in the showcase. Standard sized MojoTone noiseless P-90s with custom rings to give the look of dogears while still allowing flexibility in setting string clearance above the poles. (Already had some preliminary conversations with my favorite machinist about making the rings.) The pickguard is in keeping with the melding theme, and draws together the Pre and Post refinishing looks of Lennon's guitar. (The artwork on the guard is a straight up theft of Lennon's self portrait.) Knobs are gold Gibson Top Hats with chrome inserts. Selector switch is the standard Gibby variety. From there, two differing possibilities arose....

First up, the full Epiphone treatment:
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This gave rise to several problems, not he least of which is finding an 82mm TOM style bridge to mate up with the Gotoh 510 bridge insert spacing already drilled in the body. My only option appears to have one custom made. ($$$) Additionally, since a Mooncaster is considerably smaller than a Casino, I would need to buy a tail piece and have it custom modified to fit the reduced distance between the bridge and the edge of the body. I thought about doing this myself, but the mount would also need to be custom made to fit the offset angle of the body. I'm pretty sure a certain Texan could handle both jobs, but I would probably be putting his kids through college....  :icon_biggrin:

So, the second option would be:
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Here, the TOM and tailpiece are replaced with a Hipshot "Baby Grand" bridge, which will fit the 82mm spacing. Of course I could use just about any wrap around, stud mounted, bridge. I just like the look of the Hipshot  for this application.

Now a couple of questions. The Casino has a top mounted output jack which I would very much like to replicate. I see two possibilities. One, is to simply drill a hole in the top, but I need to be sure I could access the area from the inside. It seems unlikely this body would have the "no chamber behind the bridge" option as it is already drilled for the 510, so it would probably only necessitate drilling into the chamber from the side, but hey, ya never know. Another option would be to mount it in the bottom most control hole, which seems more likely. Anyone done something like this before? How thick is the top around the control mounting holes, and for that matter, behind the bridge? I can relieve the area behind a control mount, but not behind the bridge.

Another question concerns P-90 direct-to-body mounting. The MojoTone pups are supposed to be the same height as a standard P-90. I was thinking of installing inserts for the mounting screws. Anyone done this before? Also, If I get the "P-90 Stacked" route, would there still be enough meat on the bone to use inserts?

Any input will be appreciated. I'm Jones'n to get started.....
 
 
I like it, and as much coolness that exudes from the baby grand bridge, I kinda dig the trapeze better.. :icon_thumright:
 
Either way you go will be good. My preference would also be for the trapeze, though.
 
Modifying the trapeze for the smaller size of the Mooncaster wouldn't be a major project. Using the one you've pictured as an example, you 'd  just remove the two acorn nuts, cut the wire back, re-thread it, and re-install.
 
Great project. A quick search suggests that the Ibanez Gibraltar III bridge might match the post spacing. Could be a bit modern looking.

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It doesn't look like the Gotoh post holes are drilled with any compensating angle, so you'd need to be sure that the saddles have enough travel.

As Cagey says, shortening the tailpiece shouldn't be too tricky. The mounting plate is just bent metal so possibly could be bent/twisted to match the angle of the body(?) Keeping the plating intact might be an issue.

There might be room in the control cavity for the top mounted jack socket. It wouldn't be as far 'inboard' as on the Casino, but it's not like it's an exact replica anyway. Trying to locate the jack elsewhere would be making a lot of work for yourself I think.
 
      Looks cool.  This makes me think of a scene in the documentary on the making of the "Imagine" album where John says his Casino is crippling and unplayable.  I'ts really strange, because that was his regular guitar from 1965 up to Imagine.  Suddenly he hated it.  It seems like he mostly used his Les Paul Jr. and a Telecaster after that.
 
Thanks for the replies!
DangerousR6 said:
I like it, and as much coolness that exudes from the baby grand bridge, I kinda dig the trapeze better.. :icon_thumright:
TonyFlyingSquirrel said:
Me too, keeps the traditional look, traditional...
Rgand said:
Either way you go will be good. My preference would also be for the trapeze, though.
-VB- said:
"Casinocaster", I like! Another vote for the trapeze here. Cool project!
Looks like the "Trapeze Fan Club" has spoken! I have to admit, that's the way I want to go, if I can overcome the other issues.
Fat Pete said:
Great project. A quick search suggests that the Ibanez Gibraltar III bridge might match the post spacing. Could be a bit modern looking.    (Picture omitted...)

It doesn't look like the Gotoh post holes are drilled with any compensating angle, so you'd need to be sure that the saddles have enough travel.
Thanks for the link Pete. That may have been a "quick search" on your side of the pond, but over here, no so much! When I specifically searched for that bridge, after about a half hour of looking, I finally found an Ibanez model number, and the stud spacing, which is indeed 82mm. (This info is not even listed on Ibanez's site!) The European sites I scoured do not offer shipment of this item to the US. Only stocking(?) dealer I came across over here is actually mainly a drummers supply house.

Anyway, I looked at other guitars where that bridge is used and nearly all of them use it straight across rather than angled, so it definitely may meet my needs! Now it's just a question of availability. Sent an email to the dealer, waiting for a reply.
Cagey said:
Modifying the trapeze for the smaller size of the Mooncaster wouldn't be a major project. Using the one you've pictured as an example, you 'd  just remove the two acorn nuts, cut the wire back, re-thread it, and re-install.
Fat Pete said:
As Cagey says, shortening the tailpiece shouldn't be too tricky. The mounting plate is just bent metal so possibly could be bent/twisted to match the angle of the body(?) Keeping the plating intact might be an issue.
I was also thinking of just shortening the rack portion and re-threading the ends. And, as Pete points out and I was also pondering, I could just bend the mount on the tailpiece, but that would probably destroy the plating. Another consideration is the size of the mount: Will it fit in the reduced edge of a Mooncaster body? The StewMac site has a drawing of the mount which shows it to be 1.438" long, with the center mounting hole, where I would want to position the strap button,  to be .976", down from the top surface of the body. If the Mooncaster has a standard 1.75" depth, it will fit, but the angle and the center hole remain an issue. I might need to make a new mount out of brass and have it chromed.
Wizard of Wailing said:
Looks cool.  This makes me think of a scene in the documentary on the making of the "Imagine" album where John says his Casino is crippling and unplayable.  I'ts really strange, because that was his regular guitar from 1965 up to Imagine.  Suddenly he hated it.  It seems like he mostly used his Les Paul Jr. and a Telecaster after that.
I never knew that! I always thought he loved the Casino! I mean, why would someone who could afford any guitar he wanted, and in fact, probably had manufacturers standing in line wanting give him one, play something he didn't like? As you point out, it was his main instrument from 1966-1971, why spend 5 long years playing something he considered "crippling and unplayable"? Strange...
BigSteve22 said:
Another question concerns P-90 direct-to-body mounting. The MojoTone pups are supposed to be the same height as a standard P-90. I was thinking of installing inserts for the mounting screws. Anyone done this before? Also, If I get the "P-90 Stacked" route, would there still be enough meat on the bone to use inserts?
Anyone??

Again, thanks to all for your replies and suggestions!
 
BigSteve22 said:
Wizard of Wailing said:
Looks cool.  This makes me think of a scene in the documentary on the making of the "Imagine" album where John says his Casino is crippling and unplayable.  I'ts really strange, because that was his regular guitar from 1965 up to Imagine.  Suddenly he hated it.  It seems like he mostly used his Les Paul Jr. and a Telecaster after that.
I never knew that! I always thought he loved the Casino! I mean, why would someone who could afford any guitar he wanted, and in fact, probably had manufacturers standing in line wanting give him one, play something he didn't like? As you point out, it was his main instrument from 1966-1971, why spend 5 long years playing something he considered "crippling and unplayable"? Strange...

It could be that the guitar became unplayable over time.
I know he had the finish (originally sunburst) sanded down because someone told him it  would sound better. I am not sure what effect having the body sit around unfinished would end up doing to the top, etc
He may not have done much in the way of routine care for it and the action started going high.

I also think he was not much of a gear-head. He stuck with relatively few guitars over his career compared to many of his contemporaries.
I know he and George were given Sonic Blue Strats by Fender in the mid 60s which they used now and then, but other than that I am only familiar with a 12 string Rickenbacher given to George, and later the Rosewood Telecaster as examples of companies giving them instruments.
 
I have officially committed. Placed an order for the Ibanez Gibralter III bridge, dealer says it's a special order part, so we'll see what that means when he calls Ibanez tomorrow.... As long as it's available, I'll be perusing the the tailpiece build option.

I also updated the pix. I used a Mooncaster project photo from the Warmoth Gallery as an overlay to adjust the pickup spacing, pickguard shape, and control placement , and added the black ring and amber tip to the toggle to match Lennon's Casino. Also changed the bridge to the GIII.

This is going to take a while, as it will be an involved build, with lots of opportunities to overcome. But, the fun has begun!  :icon_jokercolor:
 
If you don't have any luck with the bridge, there's one on ebay in the UK here. About $60 posted to the States.
 
Fat Pete said:
If you don't have any luck with the bridge, there's one on ebay in the UK here. About $60 posted to the States.
Thank you sir! Nice to have a second source available.  :icon_thumright:
 
Availability of the bridge is confirmed, and my order for the Ibanez Gibralter III bridge has shipped! To celebrate, and insure that I don't miss out, I also ordered the body.

Here's the specs:
Showcase Body: MP619
Model: Hollow Carved Top Mooncaster
Orientation: Right handed
F-Holes: 2
Scale: 25-1/2"
Wood: Flame Maple on Mahogany
Rout: Rear Rout
Pickup Rout: P90 (Stacked - Neck), , P90 (Stacked - Bridge)
Controls: -Tog-V-V-T-T-X (Mooncaster)
Bridge: Gotoh 510, Angled Pocket
Stud Install: No Stud Install
Jack Rout: No Side Jack Hole
Neck Pocket: Strat® Shape
Mounting Holes: Standard 4 Bolt
Contours: Contoured Heel / Tummy Cut
Top Finish: Vintage Tint
Back Finish: Vintage Tint
Finish Type: Gloss Finish

It's gonna take a while to buy/pay-for the rest of the parts, but there's lots of planning and design work to keep me occupied. Woo-Hoo, away we go!  :icon_jokercolor:
 
Oh, yeah! That's a nice one. Flame maple on mahogany, vintage tint, no binding. I like it.
 
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