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jazzmaster and recessed tune-o-matic

It should function just like a strat or flat-top LP. There's nothing inherently special about the Jazzmaster body that I'm aware of.
 
so is it the bridge/ its height etc which causes tension/shimming issues with the jazzmaster?
 
The height of the bridge is what requires shimming.

The tension problem.... is fixed with tuners. And scale length will change tension.
 
tfarny said:
Uh, what are you guys actually talking about? What's a 'tension issue'?
Strings being too taunt or something. I really don't know what he's talking about.

Only tension I know of on guitars is dictated by the tuners and scale length, which determine the pitch. I guess string gauge too. I don't know...
 
Some will argue that a high bridge - one that creates a more acute angle over - results in a 'stiffer' feel to the action.  You would think that string tension is string tension and that this is dictated by string gauge and scale length. 

On fixed bridge guitars I've never noticed a difference in feel and tend to set mine up with a reasonably significant break angle (I think it helps sustain and tuning stability.)  On my strats I have noticed a perceptible difference in how the guitar feels after I've shimmed a neck and re-done the setup to lower the saddles closer to the body.  Why is that?  String tension has not changed - same guitar, same strings, same tuning.  Very little else, other than saddle height/string angle has changed.  But what typically has changed is the claw setting. 

When I set up my strats (all vintage six point) I set them up with a floating trem - typically enough float to pull the B string up to a C.  Whenever I shim the neck or significantly alter saddle height I find I need to adjust the claw to get the bridge back to a similar degree of float.  This changes the position of the springs - yes the total amount of tension should still be equal since the trem is being postioned back to the previous equilibrium point.    But springs seem to have something of a sweet spot and their performance characteristics are not particularly linear.  That is what I think people are actually feeling - a change in the behavior of the trem system and how it responds to the player's actions.

Basically a trem is a fulcrum held in balance by two opposing lever arms.  As the guitar is played the trem will tend to move through a range of angles and these changes will create that 'feel of the action's playability.  When you change the 'set-up' string angle you also change the relative range of angles that the trem will tend to travel though - this will also change the feel of the action.  Can a player really feel the difference in the vectored forces being applied through the trem?  I tend to think so.

I'm not much of a technical writer and I hope this makes some sense.
 
Jazzmasters have notoriously difficult to set up bridges.  The strings don't have that big of a break angle over the intonation saddles and they buzz like the high strings on a Strat neck without the string trees.  I know not all Strats require trees on the neck, and not all Jazzmaster bridges require help, but a lot do.  They fall out of tune rather easily as well.  The Recessed TOM has a greater break angle so there should not be that problem.
Patrick

 
apart from the string tension, one thing i have noticed in my jazzmaster is that its action seems to change - probably with weather.

i had taken my jazzmaster to my guitar tech 2 months back. he set it up and it played fine (though with tension issues) for a while.

then the weather became warmer and suddenly on the first 2 to 3 frets of the first two strings, it started fretting out - giving a tinny sound.

i'm not very clear what exactly the problem is - whether the strings are now closer to the frets etc.

but i never had this problem with my strat. nor my les paul with the tuneomatic.

so what is the cause? and is there a permanent solution for it?
 
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