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I'm not sure I've ever heard someone NOT bash Squier, but...

Torment Leaves Scars said:
B3Guy said:
just played a basswood Squire @GC that I'm VERY close to picking up @ $100 and putting a $300 W neck on it . . . . as this is all I can afford right now.

It had great sustain and the whole body just resonates and vibrates when you strum it. (that's a good thing, right?) EVERY other guitar I picked up in there felt dead s a doornail in my hands. The only sub-par stuff compared to other guitars is the hardware and pickups.

My feelings exactly.  For $1xx, you can't go wrong.  While the hardware and pickups "get by," there are certainly better ones out there, but I've never picked up a Squier and thought to myself, "Damn, this thing just feels cheap!"

EXACTLY (in comparison to other "superior" fenders). NO new fender seems all that amazing to me, certainly hard to justify their price tags over a hand-picked Squier. If I had the dough, I'd go for a W straight up, but I don't so I may very well drive over there again tomorrow and buy that one. It's $119, but they're supposed to price match and I can find them online from certified dealers for $99

I will feel strange putting a neck on the thing that's worth 3x the guitar's total value, but heck, who cares really? I'll probably switch the whole thing out within a couple years anyhow, but starting around $500 and having the neck of my dreams seems like a good first guitar situation to me. The pink will undoubtedly get stickered up, or maybe Sharpie markered . . . . hmm . . . . any ideas? I can always call it "seashell" rather than pink, but reality will be against me, I'm afraid . . . it's a girl guitar. How would you suggest I de-pinkify it without putting in too much time and effort . . .
 
B3Guy said:
Torment Leaves Scars said:
B3Guy said:
just played a basswood Squire @GC that I'm VERY close to picking up @ $100 and putting a $300 W neck on it . . . . as this is all I can afford right now.

It had great sustain and the whole body just resonates and vibrates when you strum it. (that's a good thing, right?) EVERY other guitar I picked up in there felt dead s a doornail in my hands. The only sub-par stuff compared to other guitars is the hardware and pickups.

My feelings exactly.  For $1xx, you can't go wrong.  While the hardware and pickups "get by," there are certainly better ones out there, but I've never picked up a Squier and thought to myself, "Damn, this thing just feels cheap!"

EXACTLY (in comparison to other "superior" fenders). NO new fender seems all that amazing to me, certainly hard to justify their price tags over a hand-picked Squier. If I had the dough, I'd go for a W straight up, but I don't so I may very well drive over there again tomorrow and buy that one. It's $119, but they're supposed to price match and I can find them online from certified dealers for $99

I will feel strange putting a neck on the thing that's worth 3x the guitar's total value, but heck, who cares really? I'll probably switch the whole thing out within a couple years anyhow, but starting around $500 and having the neck of my dreams seems like a good first guitar situation to me. The pink will undoubtedly get stickered up, or maybe Sharpie markered . . . . hmm . . . . any ideas? I can always call it "seashell" rather than pink, but reality will be against me, I'm afraid . . . it's a girl guitar. How would you suggest I de-pinkify it without putting in too much time and effort . . .

About a year ago I played an American Standard Strat, and I instantly fell in love with it.  It just felt very "right."  Had I $900, I would have left with it.

I don't wanna sound partial, but there are only a few guitars that stand out to me as the ones I've totally connected to, 100%.  First and foremost, there's my Warmoth, then there's an Ibanez RG Prestige I played a few years back, My Jackson JS32 Warrior, and that Strat.

While I connect with my 1994 Tele Plus, I'm not blown away by it, and then there's my 2003 Jackson KV2.  I don't connect with the "V" bodystyle, but damned if I don't wish I had that neck on a guitar with a more comfortable body shape...

As far as basses go, I haven't played many, but I just connect perfectly with my Squier Affinity.  I love the neck profile, and I just find it very comfortable to play...
 
I'm a firm believer in good tone coming from the fingers and perhaps a guitar that pampers them. personally, my fingers need a guitar that really rings and feeds back. MY dad's Les Paul Supreme for example . . . great sounding guitar in his very rythm-oriented playing style . . . but for me, it's a big, heavy lifeless brick. most of the guitars in GC were exactly that today, from the "nicer" AM standards and Mexis @ $5-600. The squires were for the most part even worse (just as dead but with sub-par electronics to make things worse). This Squire, though . . . maybe it was the only good one in there because nobody had even bothered to touch the pink "girl guitar" sitting in the corner. Who knows. I'll buy it if they give it to me for $99, because its high time I had some sort of guitar of my own, and being the nerd that I am, its probably best that I have one that is acceptable to be hacking up and swapping things around.
 
B3Guy said:
I'm a firm believer in good tone coming from the fingers and perhaps a guitar that pampers them. personally, my fingers need a guitar that really rings and feeds back. MY dad's Les Paul Supreme for example . . . great sounding guitar in his very rythm-oriented playing style . . . but for me, it's a big, heavy lifeless brick. most of the guitars in GC were exactly that today, from the "nicer" AM standards and Mexis @ $5-600. The squires were for the most part even worse (just as dead but with sub-par electronics to make things worse). This Squire, though . . . maybe it was the only good one in there because nobody had even bothered to touch the pink "girl guitar" sitting in the corner. Who knows. I'll buy it if they give it to me for $99, because its high time I had some sort of guitar of my own, and being the nerd that I am, its probably best that I have one that is acceptable to be hacking up and swapping things around.

I'm a firm believer that a good tone comes from good playing, but at the same time, I'm also a firm believer that sometimes the difference between a good guitarist and a great guitarist is the guitar.  It's yet another case of "the right tool for the job."

I've played some horrid guitars in my day, and they have certainly done me no favors in terms of my playing, and in some cases, have made playing much more difficult than usual.  On the flip, I have also played guitars that made playing that much easier for me.  I've played some guitars which I swear would play themselves!
 
that's why this one is so appealing . . . it resonates, which I love, and its so dirt cheap that I can afford to also go straight to W for a really great neck, which should give it the playability I'm after (mind you, it probably wouldn't be horrible with some basic TLC either. GC guitars are basically not set up at all.) At $99, it'll be pretty hard to go wrong, IMO.

The only thing is it will have some pretty wicked neck dive with the heavy exotic neck I have in mind  :icon_jokercolor:
 
B3Guy said:
The pink will undoubtedly get stickered up, or maybe Sharpie markered . . . . hmm . . . . any ideas? I can always call it "seashell" rather than pink, but reality will be against me, I'm afraid . . . it's a girl guitar. How would you suggest I de-pinkify it without putting in too much time and effort . . .

I say rock the pink, really own it.  Anything you do will just look like you're trying to hide the pink.  It could be cool till you get your dream guitar.
 
B3Guy said:
that's why this one is so appealing . . . it resonates, which I love, and its so dirt cheap that I can afford to also go straight to W for a really great neck, which should give it the playability I'm after (mind you, it probably wouldn't be horrible with some basic TLC either. GC guitars are basically not set up at all.) At $99, it'll be pretty hard to go wrong, IMO.

The only thing is it will have some pretty wicked neck dive with the heavy exotic neck I have in mind  :icon_jokercolor:

You may find yourself pleasantly surprised and not wind up with any neck-dive.

After getting my J-Bass last Xmas, I became pretty interested in what people had to say about the "Affinity" series, and most people had real good things to say about them, aside from one person, who made some bs claim that he was a "famous luthier."  He had posted that the Affinity Strat he purchased had neck issues that couldn't be fixed, hardware issues, and the neck was about as thick as the half of a baseball bat.  I find his story very hard to believe, because these are things that a "famous luthier" would IMMEDIATELY notice.

I'm not sure of the age of the people posting all the good things about their "Affinity" models, but there were a fair share talking about how they loved them because they were dirt-cheap to purchase, and very easy to "hotrod."  As far as routings and everything, they're the same on the "Affinity" as they are on the MIM and MIA models, supposedly, which makes nearly everything interchangeable.  In the end, people were building these "Super-Strats" for around $500-$600.

I honestly couldn't be happier with mine.  The only "complaints" I have about mine are that when I got it, the setup was HORRIBLE, and when the weather made a drastic change, I had to heighten the string action because of the insane amount of buzzing.  That was a bit annoying, but all in all, there aren't any sharp or dead frets, and it plays just fine.  If I could change one thing though, it would be the location of the volume knob, which is right in the way of where I prefer to pick (I play bass with a pick...). 
 
You might doublecheck that the routings are the same.  On the MIA J-Basses, the 2 pickups are different sizes, as are on Warmoths.  On MIM J-Basses, the 2 pickup routings are the size of the bridge pickup.  I'm not sure about any others.  It can make ordering pickup sets hairy.
 
yeah, I'm definitely looking to OWN the pink, but if I could stick it in the freezer and crackle it, for example, it would still be pink, but I would be OWNING it. BTW, the one I'm looking at is a "Bullet" Squire. I'll probably go back and play it again tonight, as I didn't spend a ton of time with it yesterday. Literally was walking out the door and my roommate jokingly gestured toward it saying "get that one".
 
Super Turbo Jack Ace Deluxe Custom said:
You might doublecheck that the routings are the same.  On the MIA J-Basses, the 2 pickups are different sizes, as are on Warmoths.  On MIM J-Basses, the 2 pickup routings are the size of the bridge pickup.  I'm not sure about any others.  It can make ordering pickup sets hairy.

I can't say for sure, hence the reason I mentioned, "supposedly."  I myself have never disassembled one to find out, as I'm just not into that type of thing, so I'm basing that statement off of what I've read elsewhere.

While I wouldn't mind turning a Squier into a "Super-Strat," it just wouldn't be cost-effective for me.  If I'm going to build something like that, I'm going to want a unique finish, plus I'd probably go with to humbuckers, etc.  By the time I was finished with routing and all of that stuff, I could have just started from scratch with a platform of my choosing...
 
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