I love you so much warmoth!

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

The Merle Haggard Tele is a neck-thru.  You know, for all of that upper fret shredding he does.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I was at a friends the other day and he had his Custom Shop Tele neck thru out, nice Axe. Now here is the catch, At one time the Custom Shop was where you went to get a Super Uber Fender built how you wanted it built, Just about any option willingly applied. But it has morphed into a boutique limited run shop that puts out specials to be sold by GC and Musicians Friend. And somewhere in that they got swell headed. You can still go and order your Super Uber Axe from them and get it. They have some of the best luthiers in the country there. However a large part of the production of the shop should not come from there, as it is badged Custom Shop just to drive sales but is instead special runs not of the quality of the CS.
A case of corporate greed watering down a good thing for high profits

Ah, like the $21,000+ Stevie Ray Vaughan guitar sold through Musician's Friend?

I'd love to play something other than a bolt-on Strat, just to see what it's like.

 

[Cagey]

I find it funny someone does not like the way a Fender plays, seeing how the Strat is probably the most sold guitar out there because it plays so nicely. Between sales of Fenders and the knock offs of the guitar it seems to have been proven to be a HUGE success.

I suspect it isn't how the Fender plays that they object to, it's some other ethereal quality or perceived harm done by the company they don't want to admit to because it'll be shot down as baseless or emotional.

I have a friend who's that way. Won't play or own Fenders; says they play funny. But, he thinks my Warmoth Strats are a gift from above. I'll allow as to the Warmoth having a different quality and feel for a variety of reasons, but essentially it's a 25.5" scale standard thin neck. How different can it feel? Yeah, I used exotic woods and bigger frets than usual, but still. Anybody who likes a my guitars should like a Fender Strat, even if it's not the best example of one.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I find it funny someone does not like the way a Fender plays, seeing how the Strat is probably the most sold guitar out there because it plays so nicely. Between sales of Fenders and the knock offs of the guitar it seems to have been proven to be a HUGE success.

I suspect it isn't how the Fender plays that they object to, it's some other ethereal quality or perceived harm done by the company they don't want to admit to because it'll be shot down as baseless or emotional.

I have a friend who's that way. Won't play or own Fenders; says they play funny. But, he thinks my Warmoth Strats are a gift from above. I'll allow as to the Warmoth having a different quality and feel for a variety of reasons, but essentially it's a 25.5" scale standard thin neck. How different can it feel? Yeah, I used exotic woods and bigger frets than usual, but still. Anybody who likes a my guitars should like a Fender Strat, even if it's not the best example of one.

I do think Fenders have a unique feel to them, and while I can't tell you what that feeling is, it's still there.  I think that goes for any brand of guitar. 

If someone were to blindfold me, hand me a B.C. Rich, Fender, Gibson, and Ibanez, one at a time, and ask me to identify them by the way they play, I could probably do it.

The two companies that stand out to me the most in terms of having their own extremely unique feels are Fender and B.C. Rich.  I dunno what it is about'em, but I just connect with the way they feel and play.  Regardless of model, I they just "feel" like either Fenders of B.C. Riches.  :icon_scratch:

 

[10maxpower01]

The reason I don't like the Fender strat is I don't like it's features. I like 24 frets, 3 + 3 headstock, don't like pickguards, don't like tremolo(I know it's not on all of them, but it's common) and I really don't like the placement of the output jack.

As far as the ethereal quality Cagey was referring to could be it's so common to see a Fender guitar that when you get one, it's like you don't have anything unique. No matter the cool specs you have on it, it's still just like a hundred other people's Fender strat. But, personally that has little to nothing to do with me not liking Fenders. The above list of features makes up 99% of my distaste for stratocasters. If there were 5,000,000 Schecters out there that are just the way I want them, I'd still get one. I wouldn't avoid buying it simply because of it's popularity. Same is true with Fender. If they made guitars just the way I wanted them, I would in fact buy one.

 

[Firebird211]

The reason I don't like the Fender strat is I don't like it's features. I like 24 frets, 3 + 3 headstock, don't like pickguards, don't like tremolo(I know it's not on all of them, but it's common) and I really don't like the placement of the output jack.

As far as the ethereal quality Cagey was referring to could be it's so common to see a Fender guitar that when you get one, it's like you don't have anything unique. No matter the cool specs you have on it, it's still just like a hundred other people's Fender strat. But, personally that has little to nothing to do with me not liking Fenders. The above list of features makes up 99% of my distaste for stratocasters. If there were 5,000,000 Schecters out there that are just the way I want them, I'd still get one. I wouldn't avoid buying it simply because of it's popularity. Same is true with Fender. If they made guitars just the way I wanted them, I would in fact buy one.

Strats aren't for everybody, but most people like them for the reasons you don't.  I like the pickguard for the look and the protection from me, so I can get as wild as I want without fear of harming the guitar in a permanent way.  Inline or 3 and 3 doesn't mean that much to me, since I own guitars with both.  My Schecter is a 24 fret, but I don't go that high on the fretboard that often, since my fingers are pretty wide.  My side jack guitars have been hard on the cords, unless they have a 90 on them because I practice a lot sitting on the bed.  The Fender jack is a bit kinder to me in that respect.  I don't use the trem all that much, and my strat is the only guitar with one, since it is a part of the strat mojo.  My strat is fairly unique even though I stuck with most of the traditional strat features, except for wiring, and wood choices.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion. :dontknow:

 

[Jusatele]

:blob7:
there you go then
kind a like a Les Paul, if I needed an anchor for a ship, I would buy one
I had one once, did not fir me at all
I have had Strats and Teles for over 39 years now and love them
Have a 2003 AM STD Strat and a 2011 Warmoth Tele
My PRS Custom 22  has a very similar feel and I love it
My Washburn flat top has a neck that feels similar and a usable cutaway
The Mollenhauer G35 (ES 335 clone) is very similar feeling and I get it next week
Sorry, but my 63 Tele Just was sold for more than I think was legal for a wore out axe and my  56 Vega is about to get out of the shop, total rebuild thanks to the 63
Just looking for an original Fender Competition Mustang now and next fall will build my Warmoth Toranado, have decided to get a start body and modify the horns for that, been researching the Toranado, is not a Jazzmaster look, more a Modified Strat.
So Yes, I like the Fender feel very much thank you, and will continue to buy them, tremellos are not in my list of reasons to get or refuse a guitar, They are all usable and I gave up nosedives in teh Hair metal days.

But these are all just opinions, or playing style decisions, I play Blues and Jazz.

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

:blob7:
there you go then
kind a like a Les Paul, if I needed an anchor for a ship, I would buy one
I had one once, did not fir me at all
I have had Strats and Teles for over 39 years now and love them
Have a 2003 AM STD Strat and a 2011 Warmoth Tele
My PRS Custom 22  has a very similar feel and I love it
My Washburn flat top has a neck that feels similar and a usable cutaway
The Mollenhauer G35 (ES 335 clone) is very similar feeling and I get it next week
Sorry, but my 63 Tele Just was sold for more than I think was legal for a wore out axe and my  56 Vega is about to get out of the shop, total rebuild thanks to the 63
Just looking for an original Fender Competition Mustang now and next fall will build my Warmoth Toranado, have decided to get a start body and modify the horns for that, been researching the Toranado, is not a Jazzmaster look, more a Modified Strat.
So Yes, I like the Fender feel very much thank you, and will continue to buy them, tremellos are not in my list of reasons to get or refuse a guitar, They are all usable and I gave up nosedives in teh Hair metal days.

But these are all just opinions, or playing style decisions, I play Blues and Jazz.

The one Fender Strat that I absolutely long for has been the first one I'd ever paid any attention to, and that was Dave Murray's of Iron Maiden.  When I saw that guitar back in the 80s, I fell in love with it.  Now, there's actually a Dave Murray signature model out there, and despite just having my Warmoth completed less than a year ago, I am dying for that Dave Murray model!  Then again, I can name a few other guitars that I'm just dying to get my paws on, too.  :guitarplayer2:

 

[stubhead]

I can make a really long list of what I dislike about a vintage-spec Strat, but people do muddle through somehow, huh?  :hello2:

#1, when I play it a lot the super-close, corrugated volume knob wears a raw spot on the top of my little finger.
#2, on a real 2 3/8" bridge'd-one  the strings fall off the neck as soon as you put manly frets on it. But, Guitar Player mag used to put a little git-porn on the cover every month, the guitar of that month's star, and I swear half these guys were playing guitars with high E strings falling off the neck. Jeff Beck - what a doof.
#3 - etc.

 

[AutoBat]

I love the volume knob placement on strats.
One of the worst functions on teles is that awful pup selector.  It's too big, and I hit it with my strumming style.  If I ever own one I'll wire it with the toggle below the knobs. (or just do it right and go custom or deluxe)

 

[Jusatele]

If you look at pictures of barn door you can see I reverse my controls, put the pup switch to the rear, I like it better that way, Oh did I mention how easy Fenders are to customize ?

 

[stubhead]

I call both my Telecasters "tele-shaped" guitars, because I fixed the knobs. On Binkie, the scalloped-neck L500XL-equipped rocket-science-wired one, it went way, way beyond just flipping the plate.... the other one isn't quite classic, for some reason I can't quite place.

I mean, David Gilmour ruined at least three or four things that "make" a Stratocaster be a Stratocaster, according to the sniffers. But, he seems to muddle through somehow, too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM0Pl80Zf00

woof.

 

[Firebird211]

I love me some Gilmour.  BTW, what did he do to his strat that was so anti-strat to the sniffers?  

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I call both my Telecasters "tele-shaped" guitars, because I fixed the knobs. On Binkie, the scalloped-neck L500XL-equipped rocket-science-wired one, it went way, way beyond just flipping the plate.... the other one isn't quite classic, for some reason I can't quite place.

I mean, David Gilmour ruined at least three or four things that "make" a Stratocaster be a Stratocaster, according to the sniffers. But, he seems to muddle through somehow, too....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FM0Pl80Zf00

woof.

David Gilmour is amazing.  I couldn't care less what he did with a Strat.  As long as what he's playing is appealing to the ears, it doesn't matter to me if he paints it neon pink and adds brown polka-dots.  :laughing11:

 

[Firebird211]

As far as I know, he shortened his trem arm, and added a neck/bridge feature.  I can relate to that. He is the man. :icon_thumright:

 

[stubhead]

Gilmour's greatest sacrilege is the EMG's, of course. After all that time expert people have spent researching exactly what kind of wire Fender sourced in 1957 and how many turns it should have and what Gabriella had for lunch the day she wound them, Gilmour goes and slaps some black plastic battery-powered toy pickups in there. For shame.

Except now for four grand Fender will sell you an authentic Gilmour Strat with battery-powered toy pickups for...
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Custom-Shop-Custom-Shop-David-Gilmour-Signature-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=500519

NO WAIT! it's doesn't have EMG's it's got the same old Fender taco-powered pickups!  Ooooh, I'm confused. Fortunately for just $300 more, you can get some battery-powered toy pickups just like Gilmour's... Whew! Close call.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EMGDG20/

But, wasn't it David Gilmour who said he could buy whatever he needed to makes those noises at any decent music store in the world, and people shouldn't obsess over equipment.... that just might've been before the deals with Fender & EMG, huh?  :toothy12:

 

[Firebird211]

Gilmour's greatest sacrilege is the EMG's, of course. After all that time expert people have spent researching exactly what kind of wire Fender sourced in 1957 and how many turns it should have and what Gabriella had for lunch the day she wound them, Gilmour goes and slaps some black plastic battery-powered toy pickups in there. For shame.

Except now for four grand Fender will sell you an authentic Gilmour Strat with battery-powered toy pickups for...
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Custom-Shop-Custom-Shop-David-Gilmour-Signature-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=500519

NO WAIT! it's doesn't have EMG's it's got the same old Fender taco-powered pickups!  Ooooh, I'm confused. Fortunately for just $300 more, you can get some battery-powered toy pickups just like Gilmour's... Whew! Close call.

http://www.sweetwiter.com/store/detail/EMGDG20/

But, wasn't it David Gilmour who said he could buy whatever he needed to makes those noises at any decent music store in the world, and people shouldn't obsess over equipment.... that just might've been before the deals with Fender & EMG, huh?  :toothy12:

What if Gabriella had gas that day from the taco's...do they have to recreate that too?

 

[Cagey]

Gilmour's greatest sacrilege is the EMG's, of course. After all that time expert people have spent researching exactly what kind of wire Fender sourced in 1957 and how many turns it should have and what Gabriella had for lunch the day she wound them, Gilmour goes and slaps some black plastic battery-powered toy pickups in there. For shame.

Except now for four grand Fender will sell you an authentic Gilmour Strat with battery-powered toy pickups for...
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Custom-Shop-Custom-Shop-David-Gilmour-Signature-Stratocaster-Electric-Guitar?sku=500519

NO WAIT! it's doesn't have EMG's it's got the same old Fender taco-powered pickups!  Ooooh, I'm confused. Fortunately for just $300 more, you can get some battery-powered toy pickups just like Gilmour's... Whew! Close call.

http://www.sweetwiter.com/store/detail/EMGDG20/

But, wasn't it David Gilmour who said he could buy whatever he needed to makes those noises at any decent music store in the world, and people shouldn't obsess over equipment.... that just might've been before the deals with Fender & EMG, huh?  :toothy12:

Hehehe! Ah, you are such a heathen! Besides, you didn't mention that this guitar was "A cornerstone of Pink Floyd's incomparably revolutionary sound, Gilmour's Black Strat is featured extensively on The Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here, Animals, The Wall and his critically acclaimed 2006 solo effort, On An Island."

That means it's worth eleventy bajillion bucks. Except... waitaminnit... this is a copy! Those damn Mongolians!

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Gilmour's greatest sacrilege is the EMG's, of course.

:doh:

You "anti-EMG" people crack me up sometimes.  :icon_jokercolor:
The EMG DG20 set is without a doubt the most versatile pick up kit for the Strat, hands down. Covers everything from that vintage Strat tone to classic rock and metal humbuckers.

I don't know about $4000 for any Strat.  :icon_scratch:

But for a mere cost of $575.00 ($390.00 for the guitar used & $165.00 for the EMG DG20 pick up set used) plus the $20.00 the white perloid pick guard (optional), you too can get Comfortably Numb every day just like me!!!

http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?topic=12972.0

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I don't think Stubby was slandering the EMGs, rather the cork sniffers do.  He was slandering the cork sniffers for sniffing corks....and the pickup winders lunch gas.  See, that's the thing about his posts.  If you don't have a sense of humor, you might hurt yourself. 

What were the other things that were un-Stratty of Gilmour's Strats?  I can think of a few mods and choices, but many weren't all in the same guitar.  The black one wasn't always black.  It had a 6 hole trem, then a Kahler, then back to the 6 hole.