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hannaugh

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...why there is passionate hatred for various guitars.  I understand liking a guitar more than another one, but why pick one out that you don't like and act like that's a crappy guitar just because you don't find the design attractive.  Certain guitars work better for some people than others, that's why there is a large variety to choose from.  Just because it's something you wouldn't choose for yourself doesn't mean it's bad.  I personally love most guitars (LP, SG, Strat, Tele, 335, LPS, VIP, L5S, Firebird, Jaguar, I love them all) there are only a few I think are ugly (sorry, I just can't get behind the Jagstang or the Star), but I don't hate them with a fiery passion or anything.  I don't feel the need to shout it from the rooftops that I find them unattractive. 

My husband is this way about cars.  He's a Ford guy, so GM is the "enemy".  I love my Pontiac, I don't give a crap what other people choose to drive as long as they stay out of my way. 

Maybe it's a guy thing. 
 
Good point.  I just changed my signature in case someone took it to be just too one-eyed.
 
haha you prove a good point hannaugh, well my slight/big hatred towards bc rich guitars in general is how much they are suited towards metal /screamo, and can as far as i know barely accomodate other styles, its like, metal is all our guitars can handle... point in case, fender stratocaster, a couple of jazz players etc yes? then you get the maiden boys playing the hell out of them, haha
 
=CB= said:
Show me a Les Paul, and I'll show you a bonfire!
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I just thought of a couple of other things that my husband hates that I don't understand:

- He loves typewriters.  I have an Alphasmart keyboard thing that my mom bought me when I was in high school.  He hates it because it's not a typewriter.  I pretty much never use it, but if I mention it he gets all goofy about it, saying "Alphasmarts are of the devil!".  WTF?  It's a piece of plastic.  I don't get it. 

- He loves books, and hates that I own a Kindle.  He also claims it is of the devil because "books are better". 
 
Well, Hannaugh, I don't think I'm as hardcore as your hubby seems to be but I gotta say that I'm not fond of SG's or weird shaped guitars like a BC Rich Warlock etc... I'm a standard Strat fella, always have been always will be. God bless anyone that goes with those guitars but I surely wouldn't entertain the idea of owning one. Hell, it's taken me close to 25 years to begin wanting an acoustic. I think I'll be buying a Martin Clapton model sometime next year.
MULLY
 
I hate it when i can't sit down and play the guitar. for example, any of the V's and an occassional sharp edged guitar.

That being said i think the flying V looks awesome and I nearly bought one.
 
hannaugh said:
My husband is this way about cars.  He's a Ford guy, so GM is the "enemy".  I love my Pontiac, I don't give a crap what other people choose to drive as long as they stay out of my way. 

Ford is awful. I'll never own a Ford again.

anyway - it's all part of the us vs. them mentality. People need something to hate on. That's why having a favorite sports team and ones you hate makes sense to most people.
 
hannaugh said:
I just thought of a couple of other things that my husband hates that I don't understand:

- He loves typewriters.  I have an Alphasmart keyboard thing that my mom bought me when I was in high school.  He hates it because it's not a typewriter.  I pretty much never use it, but if I mention it he gets all goofy about it, saying "Alphasmarts are of the devil!".  WTF?  It's a piece of plastic.  I don't get it. 

- He loves books, and hates that I own a Kindle.  He also claims it is of the devil because "books are better". 
maybe he's a Luddite? ;)

seriously though I know a guy like that. pretty much wishes it was the 50's or 60's -  not really into all the modern stuff
 
GoDrex said:
hannaugh said:
I just thought of a couple of other things that my husband hates that I don't understand:

- He loves typewriters.  I have an Alphasmart keyboard thing that my mom bought me when I was in high school.  He hates it because it's not a typewriter.  I pretty much never use it, but if I mention it he gets all goofy about it, saying "Alphasmarts are of the devil!".  WTF?  It's a piece of plastic.  I don't get it. 

- He loves books, and hates that I own a Kindle.  He also claims it is of the devil because "books are better". 
maybe he's a Luddite? ;)

seriously though I know a guy like that. pretty much wishes it was the 50's or 60's -  not really into all the modern stuff

No I think he just wishes that machines were all still mechanical.  He doesn't like plastic.  He likes working on old cars because they don't have computer parts in them. 

I think the only time I get pissed off at inanimate objects that I don't own is when the people who have them act like they are better than me because they have them.  I was pretty indifferent to Apple until a few people I knew started ragging on my computer and my mp3 player because they "weren't as good as Apple", which of course was completely false.  I had an iPod that was a total piece of crap, but every Creative I've used has worked near flawlessly for several years and I still haven't had to replace any of them.  It just really annoyed me that there were actually people who actually laughed at me for having a Creative (seriously, some strange people out there).  That and all the Macs I used at my college had constant network problems and I could never get them to print my stuff correctly, my files got lost, etc... 

I do understand disliking sports teams though.  That makes sense because they play against your team.  Though that's another thing that is really more fan against fan than team against team.  And everyone hates the Yankees except people from NY. 
 
AprioriMark said:
You really should read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

-Mark

Already read Zen Guitar and Siddhartha.  Good stuff but I don't plan on becoming a total shut-in hermit hippie just yet.  All this stuff really just equals mild annoyance coupled with confusion because apparently my brain doesn't work the same way as everyone else's.  I find a lot of human behavior just doesn't compute in my mind.  Either that or I spend so much time around guys that I forget that my mind works differently because I'm not a guy.  Though, a lot of women make no sense to me either... perhaps I'm related to Gonzo. 
 
Hannaugh if what people do appears to make no sense, the most likely explanation is that what people do makes no sense....
 
It's nothing like Eastern philosophy.  I'd rather say it's a true American experience; more akin to "On the Road" than anything Zen-related.  It's subtitled "An Inquiry Into Values," and I honestly think it pretty directly applies to what you're pondering, haha.  This quote from the bookdoesn't apply directly, but it's another interesting angle on what makes people polarized abotu certain subjects.  Apologies for the Wall of Text (tm, patent pending):

"A classical understanding sees the world primarily as underlying form itself. A romantic understanding sees it primarily in terms of immediate appearance. If you were to show an engine or a mechanical drawing or electronic schematic to a romantic it is unlikely he would see much of interest in it. It has no appeal because the reality he sees is its surface. Dull, complex lists of names, lines and numbers. Nothing interesting. But if you were to show the same blueprint or schematic or give the same description to a classical person he might look at it and then become fascinated by it because he sees that within the lines and shapes and symbols is a tremendous richness of underlying form.

The romantic mode is primarily inspirational, imaginative, creative, intuitive. Feelings rather than facts predominate. "Art" when it is opposed to "Science" is often romantic. It does not proceed by reason or by laws. It proceeds by feeling, intuition and esthetic conscience. In the northern European cultures the romantic mode is usually associated with femininity, but this is certainly not a necessary association.

The classic mode, by contrast, proceeds by reason and by laws...which are themselves underlying forms of thought and behavior. In the European cultures it is primarily a masculine mode and the fields of science, law and medicine are unattractive to women largely for this reason. Although motorcycle riding is romantic, motorcycle maintenance is purely classic. The dirt, the grease, the mastery of underlying form required all give it such a negative romantic appeal that women never go near it.

Although surface ugliness is often found in the classic mode of understanding it is not inherent in it. There is a classic esthetic which romantics often miss because of its subtlety. The classic style is straightforward, unadorned, unemotional, economical and carefully proportioned. Its purpose is not to inspire emotionally, but to bring order out of chaos and make the unknown known. It is not an esthet- ically free and natural style. It is esthetically restrained. Everything is under control. Its value is measured in terms of the skill with which this control is maintained.

To a romantic this classic mode often appears dull, awkward and ugly, like mechanical maintenance itself. Everything is in terms of pieces and parts and components and relationships. Nothing is figured out until it’s run through the computer a dozen times. Everything’s got to be measured and proved. Oppressive. Heavy. Endlessly grey. The death force.

Within the classic mode, however, the romantic has some appearances of his own. Frivolous, irrational, erratic, untrustworthy, interested primarily in pleasure-seeking. Shallow. Of no substance. Often a parasite who cannot or will not carry his own weight. A real drag on society. By now these battle lines should sound a little familiar.

This is the source of the trouble. Persons tend to think and feel exclusively in one mode or the other and in doing so tend to misunderstand and underestimate what the other mode is all about. But no one is willing to give up the truth as he sees it, and as far as I know, no one now living has any real reconciliation of these truths or modes. There is no point at which these visions of reality are unified.

And so in recent times we have seen a huge split develop between a classic culture and a romantic counterculture...two worlds growingly alienated and hateful toward each other with everyone wondering if it will always be this way, a house divided against itself. No one wants it really...despite what his antagonists in the other dimension might think.


-Mark

 
Okay, I choose both.  When I was in school, all of my professors told me "You're an artist with an engineer's mind."  It explains my all of my DIY obsessions.  At least my husband and some of my friends are the same way, though my husband doesn't even think that he is an artist sometimes. 
 
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