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i am puting my custom guitar Buildon hold

SustainerPlayer said:
I admire you courage. Every time I contemplate a non-Warmoth guitar I start to think that I could change this or that on it and basically ends up with another Warmoth project. I'm like caught in a Warmoth Catch 22  :doh:

But I don't see nothing wrong in putting your Warmoth on hold. Just don't put it on hold for too long.  :icon_biggrin:

I had a plan to get off cheap on a guitar by finding a used Telecaster FMT HH and put P-Rails in it.  I found used bodies with no electronics or hardware on eBay for $400.  The whole d**n guitar is only $700 new.  Makes no sense.  So, I guess I'll just have to build a Warmoth and get exactly what I want.
 
Johnny said:
SustainerPlayer said:
I admire you courage. Every time I contemplate a non-Warmoth guitar I start to think that I could change this or that on it and basically ends up with another Warmoth project. I'm like caught in a Warmoth Catch 22  :doh

But I don't see nothing wrong in putting your Warmoth on hold. Just don't put it on hold for too long.  :icon_biggrin:

I had a plan to get off cheap on a guitar by finding a used Telecaster FMT HH and put P-Rails in it.  I found used bodies with no electronics or hardware on eBay for $400.  The whole d**n guitar is only $700 new.  Makes no sense.  So, I guess I'll just have to build a Warmoth and get exactly what I want.

I want a Mahogany Body LP, and the prices Warmoth charges for their LP Body is outrages for a Mahogany body at about $600 or so just for a body with Gloss on it, sorry, I don't think so, however I will build me a Strat later on from Warmoth, that's why I put it on hold. Now Warmoth SG Body's are a little cheaper, and i could go that rout!
 
snagglepuss said:
I want a Mahogany Body LP, and the prices Warmoth charges for their LP Body is outrages for a Mahogany body at about $600 or so just for a body with Gloss on it, sorry, I don't think so, however I will build me a Strat later on from Warmoth, that's why I put it on hold. Now Warmoth SG Body's are a little cheaper, and i could go that rout!

"Outrageous" is subjective, but I can see your point - the LP bodies are significantly more expensive than the Strat or Tele bodies, but with good reason.  For starters, their construction is more complex in that some routing has to be done before the cap is glued in place -- more labor and CNC machine time per piece = higher cost and therefore higher price per unit.  Further, the competition is vastly more expensive, so the price for the Warmoth body is still a helluva deal by comparison, even if it seems like a lot more than you want to pay.

I reckon my analysis doesn't help much, but anyhoo...

Peace

Bagman
 
Bagman67 said:
snagglepuss said:
I want a Mahogany Body LP, and the prices Warmoth charges for their LP Body is outrages for a Mahogany body at about $600 or so just for a body with Gloss on it, sorry, I don't think so, however I will build me a Strat later on from Warmoth, that's why I put it on hold. Now Warmoth SG Body's are a little cheaper, and i could go that rout!

"Outrageous" is subjective, but I can see your point - the LP bodies are significantly more expensive than the Strat or Tele bodies, but with good reason.  For starters, their construction is more complex in that some routing has to be done before the cap is glued in place -- more labor and CNC machine time per piece = higher cost and therefore higher price per unit.  Further, the competition is vastly more expensive, so the price for the Warmoth body is still a helluva deal by comparison, even if it seems like a lot more than you want to pay.

I reckon my analysis doesn't help much, but anyhoo...

Peace

Bagman

I will give it some thought, thanks!
 
It's the difference between cost-plus and value pricing. In this case, the build cost is marginally higher for the carved tops for obvious reasons, but nowhere near the bump in sell price because the perceived value is dramatically higher.

Two things to note - Warmoth recently bought a 4 head CNC machine, which quadruples production. Have we seen any adjustment in price? Of course not. They ate the savings as profit, less amortization. Not that that's a Bad Thing - they may have reinvested that reduced production cost in other areas, rather than just take the savings as profit. Hire more people (more jobs), improve response times and consistency, etc.

Gotta be careful, though. Customers aren't always stupid. Nobody sees physical flaws in the carved bodies or the finishes on them from the competition who are offering those things at dramatically lower prices. Good wood only takes you so far, and Warmoth doesn't have a corner on that market. I can buy an Agile LP that will embarrass Gibson for $400-$600, and I can't even buy an LP body at that price from Warmoth, let alone the the other $600-$1,200 I need to spend to complete it.

There's such a thing as the Laffer Curve, which is most often used to talk about taxation and revenues, but also applies to commerce. Raising prices does not always result in increased income. There comes a point where the price is too high, so sales drop off and revenues decrease. Warmoth may be at the crossing point or beyond when it comes to carved tops.

Maybe they'd rather not build them? Pricing them at the point of pain for the customer may relieve some pain for themselves.
 
Cagey said:
Maybe they'd rather not build them? Pricing them at the point of pain for the customer may relieve some pain for themselves.

I do that ALL the time as a provider of professional services.  Sure, I can solve that problem, but it's a nasty one that will yield additional headaches down the road... so I bid the solution at a price that will make the client soil his drawers.
 
Learned that lesson working for a software engineering house many moons ago. We were known as miracle workers because we'd not only take the jobs others declined or overbid, we bid them like regular work. Got us a lot of jobs, but they were ultimately pyrrhic victories.

On the plus side, everybody learned a lotta stuff and we had a lotta bragging points. Plus, it was a lotta fun, at least until it killed us.
 
haha when I was younger I used to obsess about how my guitars looked, and would purchase instruments based off of that, then I realized that it didn't matter how shiny or amazing my instrument looked if I couldn't play the D@mn thing haha! Once I finally learned how to play then functionality and the performance of the instrument for my needs became what I looked for when buying a new instrument.

at the end of the day, it's your money and your choice of what instrument you buy, but I would go with an American made custom Warmoth build over an asian guitar any day, (even though a lot of the Korean stuff is fantastic) you should checkout the Warmoth LP that Jay just had finished by Tonar, it's fantastic.

thats my .02  :occasion14:

Oh, and one more final thought, Cagey is correct about the Agile guitars, they are fantastic, and I'm going to be getting one of their LP Baritone's really soon.
 
Thanks guys, but I realize MY MISTAKE when I said Warmoth's LP's were outrageous, it was because i was looking at a carved top, which I absolutely don't like  to be without, if I can keep from it, LOL!
After that, I went back and checked again without a carved top and realized they weren't to bad after all, my goof,  :icon_scratch:
 
thebutcher85 said:
you should checkout the Warmoth LP that Jay just had finished by Tonar, it's fantastic.

:icon_biggrin: Thank you, sir! It's sitting next to me as I type this haha

But I will say Warmoth carved top bodies are pretty damn pricy. At the end of the day it's all about what you can afford. Honestly I could only just barely afford the Warmoth LP I purchased. I could, but only barely...

At the end of the day you need a guitar to play. If you have a decent one I say keep saving for that Warmoth. Who knows? One day you might wake up with the worst Strat or Tele GAS you've ever had. It can really hit you out of nowhere. Believe me, I know! If you don't have a decent guitar and can get that LTD at a good price then jump on it! I've never owned an LTD, but I shopped them pretty heavily a few years ago. Nice guitars!
 
I'm one of those lucky guys that actually prefers flat top LP's, so when I want one, I won't have to sell any limbs.
 
Ditto. 


This one's in progress now -- been grain-filling this weekend (although this photo is just with the shellac sealer on it).


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