HH P-rails with two separate ON/ON/ON switches?

[Log]

Hey there, I’ve wired up this diagram and not getting any kind of output when I’m going through the DPDT switches. I’ve been pulling my hair out and trying all different combination and just can’t seem to get it right!

2 Humbuckers/3-Way Lever Switch/1 Volume/2 Tones/Series-Split-Parallel

Guitar wiring diagram with 2 humbuckers, 3-way lever switch, one volume and two tone controls and two mini switches. Neck pickup mini toggle switch selects between Series/Single Coil (North)/Parallel. Bridge pickup mini toggle switch selects between Series/Single Coil (South)/Parallel...

guitarelectronics.com

 

[stratamania]

You need to provide more information / types of pickups / photos etc. Troubleshooting steps you have done to isolate the problem for any further help to be offered.

 

[Log]

You need to provide more information / types of pickups / photos etc. Troubleshooting steps you have done to isolate the problem for any further help to be offered.

SD P Rails pickups. I’ve bypassed the mini toggles and gotten signal but the whole point is that I need to switch modes.

 

[Log]

Hey there, I’ve wired up this diagram and not getting any kind of output when I’m going through the DPDT switches. I’ve been pulling my hair out and trying all different combination and just can’t seem to get it right!

2 Humbuckers/3-Way Lever Switch/1 Volume/2 Tones/Series-Split-Parallel

Guitar wiring diagram with 2 humbuckers, 3-way lever switch, one volume and two tone controls and two mini switches. Neck pickup mini toggle switch selects between Series/Single Coil (North)/Parallel. Bridge pickup mini toggle switch selects between Series/Single Coil (South)/Parallel...

guitarelectronics.com

Wondering if anyone has any experience with these switches? I don’t quite understand how they work and what needs to happen for the pickup to function

 

[stratamania]

Ah okay follow this.

The P-Rails Wiring Bible, Part 1: Covering The Basics

Follow this P-Rails wiring guide for an introduction to the functionality of the P-Rails pickups. Design and implement a wiring scheme that works for you.

www.seymourduncan.com

The P-Rails Wiring Bible, Part 2 - Seymour Duncan

The three most-used modes for the P-Rails pickup are series humbucker, P-90 mode and rail mode. If these are the only three modes we want to use, the wiring is quite simple.

www.seymourduncan.com

The Seymour Duncan P-Rails Wiring Bible, Part 3: Common Wirings

In the final installation of the Seymour Duncan P-Rails wiring guide, we cover some of the most common P-Rails wiring diagrams.

www.seymourduncan.com

 

[stratamania]

Wondering if anyone has any experience with these switches? I don’t quite understand how they work and what needs to happen for the pickup to function

Yes see my post above.

Check also whether you have on-on-on or on-off-on switches, as the wiring differs.

 

[Log]

Ah okay follow this.

The P-Rails Wiring Bible, Part 1: Covering The Basics

Follow this P-Rails wiring guide for an introduction to the functionality of the P-Rails pickups. Design and implement a wiring scheme that works for you.

www.seymourduncan.com

The P-Rails Wiring Bible, Part 2 - Seymour Duncan

The three most-used modes for the P-Rails pickup are series humbucker, P-90 mode and rail mode. If these are the only three modes we want to use, the wiring is quite simple.

www.seymourduncan.com

The Seymour Duncan P-Rails Wiring Bible, Part 3: Common Wirings

In the final installation of the Seymour Duncan P-Rails wiring guide, we cover some of the most common P-Rails wiring diagrams.

www.seymourduncan.com

SD webpage does not provide any diagrams for on on on mini toggles.

 

[stratamania]

SD webpage does not provide any diagrams for on on on mini toggles.

Yes, they show the wiring that is shown in part 2 for DPDT switches. That applies to mini toggles.

 

[supertruper1988]

Just to be clear. on/on/on or on/off/on are DP3T not DPDP.

If you have DPDT then the duncan scheme works but you would need 4 of them to control each pickup individually. They will not work for the Guitar Electronics diagram.

You will need to ensure you have the correct type of switches to proceed with trouble shooting.

 

[stratamania]

Just to be clear. on/on/on or on/off/on are 3PDT not DPDP.

They only have two poles, not three, so are DP, (Double pole) which are both switched at the same time so Double throw available in on on or on off on or on on on. In this case, double does not refer to the number of positions.

 

[supertruper1988]

Sorry I got it back wards. I have edited my post to reflect as such. The T is for Throw (positions) so a on/on/on or on/off/on is a Three Throw (position) switch.

 

[stratamania]

Sorry I got it back wards. I have edited my post to reflect as such. The T is for Throw (positions) so a on/on/on or on/off/on is a Three Throw (position) switch.

Technically, I agree this is indeed correct, although many guitar parts suppliers and wiring diagrams will refer to them as DPDT on on on or on off on even when there are three positions. A bit like not all vacuum cleaners are hoovers.

 

[Rick]

This where I'm buying my mini switch for the next build ...

Switch - Carling, Mini Toggle, 3PDT | Antique Electronic Supply

Carling mini-toggle switch, 3PDT, ideal for stomp boxes, phase switching, coil-tapping, series/parallel pickup switching in guitars. 0.354" bushing length 1/4" mounting hole diameter On-On Three pole/double throw (3PDT)

www.tubesandmore.com

 

[stratamania]

This where I'm buying my mini switch for the next build ...

Switch - Carling, Mini Toggle, 3PDT | Antique Electronic Supply

Carling mini-toggle switch, 3PDT, ideal for stomp boxes, phase switching, coil-tapping, series/parallel pickup switching in guitars. 0.354" bushing length 1/4" mounting hole diameter On-On Three pole/double throw (3PDT)

www.tubesandmore.com

That is actually a 3PDT, but is not what is needed for what is being asked about in this thread.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

To get the most out of PRails, get the triple shot rings, you won’t regret it!