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Which would be better in a flying V? a classic '57 humbucker in the neck and a classic '57 plus in the bridge or the antiquity hunmbuckers they have on warmoth?
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link plz?????
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What are you after? Antiquity are vintage spec'd all the way down to the type and shape of wood used for the spacer, the wire, magnet, etc. They are as true to spec of a vintage PAF as you can get. The extreme end of vintage reproduction.
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yeah im going for that vintage 59 korina flying v which i believe has 2 PAFs
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I think you just answered your own question. :icon_thumright:
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...........oh my god
In my opinion, the 57 Classic and Classic Plus are 2 of the finest pickups on the market. You couldn't go wrong with them in my opinion. Antiquities are another fine choice. One of my absolute all time favorite pickups is the Seth Lover.
Some of the absolute BEST PAF/Vintage pickups I have tried are Shed PAF Daddy's. Absolutely wonderful shimmering tone in my '77 Les Paul Deluxe. His pickups not only sound great, they actually SMELL 50 years old. NOT cheap, tho.
Pickups I have no experience with include WCR, Wolfetone, Guitar Force, Lollar, Over The Pond Guy, and others I know I'm forgetting. All of these guys are a little pricier, but all have a good reputation.
There are other pickup winders I DO have experience with that make a fine pickup, but I will not mention here due to questionable business practices, in my opinion.
One option I've discovered is finding a pair of Gibson 490's. If you are going for a vintage look, with pole spacing the same on both pickups, go for a pair of 490R's, if not a 490r and 490T set will do fine. I have found that by simply swapping the Alnico 2 magnets out on these pickups for either A4 or A5 gives them a wonderful vintage tone with more highs and mids than the stock A2 magnet. 490 series Gibson pickups can be had on ebay for pretty cheap, and in my opinion are very underrated pickups, I love them.
My favorite 490ish combo is in my SG Special right now, I'm running a 490R with and A5 magnet in the neck, and a 496R with an A4 magnet in the bridge. Great 70's era AC/DC tone. The 496 is wound a little hotter than the 490's (8.87k as opposed to right around 8.00k for most 490's I've measured). They aren't, however wound as hot as the 498T or the 500T, so they make a great ''Vintage Hot" class pickup, even with the stock ceramic magnet. I like them best with an A4 magnet, myself, YMMV.
One thing I've found to be key with 490 series pickups, run them with 500K volume and tone pots, they do much better than with Gibson's stupid 300K pots.
Magnet swapping is one of the best and cheapest ways of shaping your guitars tone, and it really is pretty easy. Guys on the Seymour Duncan forum do it all the time, I've done it a bunch of times myself.
Here's a good tutorial on it..
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/barmagswap.htm
Try this forum as well, lots of good info in here
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27209&highlight=swap+magnets
Some of the absolute BEST PAF/Vintage pickups I have tried are Shed PAF Daddy's. Absolutely wonderful shimmering tone in my '77 Les Paul Deluxe. His pickups not only sound great, they actually SMELL 50 years old. NOT cheap, tho.
Pickups I have no experience with include WCR, Wolfetone, Guitar Force, Lollar, Over The Pond Guy, and others I know I'm forgetting. All of these guys are a little pricier, but all have a good reputation.
There are other pickup winders I DO have experience with that make a fine pickup, but I will not mention here due to questionable business practices, in my opinion.
One option I've discovered is finding a pair of Gibson 490's. If you are going for a vintage look, with pole spacing the same on both pickups, go for a pair of 490R's, if not a 490r and 490T set will do fine. I have found that by simply swapping the Alnico 2 magnets out on these pickups for either A4 or A5 gives them a wonderful vintage tone with more highs and mids than the stock A2 magnet. 490 series Gibson pickups can be had on ebay for pretty cheap, and in my opinion are very underrated pickups, I love them.
My favorite 490ish combo is in my SG Special right now, I'm running a 490R with and A5 magnet in the neck, and a 496R with an A4 magnet in the bridge. Great 70's era AC/DC tone. The 496 is wound a little hotter than the 490's (8.87k as opposed to right around 8.00k for most 490's I've measured). They aren't, however wound as hot as the 498T or the 500T, so they make a great ''Vintage Hot" class pickup, even with the stock ceramic magnet. I like them best with an A4 magnet, myself, YMMV.
One thing I've found to be key with 490 series pickups, run them with 500K volume and tone pots, they do much better than with Gibson's stupid 300K pots.
Magnet swapping is one of the best and cheapest ways of shaping your guitars tone, and it really is pretty easy. Guys on the Seymour Duncan forum do it all the time, I've done it a bunch of times myself.
Here's a good tutorial on it..
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/barmagswap.htm
Try this forum as well, lots of good info in here
http://www.seymourduncan.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27209&highlight=swap+magnets
Death by Uberschall said:
I'm going to pleasantly disagree to a point. And that point is... there is no such thing as a spec vintage PAF. The reason is - Gibson was all over the place with winding, and even the magnet type. There is no absolute. There are infinite variations within the fuzzy periphery of whats seen today, but thats about it.
Most... of the early PAF pickups were lighter wound, and the Antiquity and Seth Lover pickups follow pretty closely. The BB#1 from Gibson is also a very light wound, classic toned pickup.
The 57 series is a little hotter, more of a medium output. They have matched coils and have a pronounced midrange "scoop" (low mids) that accentuates the top end bottom a bit.
I personally like the 57's in some guitars. They do really well in a semi acoustic (or maybe thinline). The didn't do much for me in the SG or even LP. I like the BB#1 and BB#2 pickups in the LP (not the BB-Pro set, just plain BB). On the SG, I like thicker pickups like the excellent 490/490 series.
Consider a seth lover from duncan. That one, the 57's, the BB's and the Antiquity pickups are all really good. No "right choice" its more a matter of personal taste.
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Seymour Duncan basically states there were a lot of variables out there also. But the pups they sourced for reverse engineering where the ones that were considered to be the "cream of the crop" and consensus of the norm. SD even owns and uses the original winding machines Gibson used to wind the originals.
Watch these three videos, they give several details of the way vintage PAFs were made and how SD recreates the originals. There are key elements scattered through out the videos related to the antiquity, '59, Seth Lover and Pearly Gates pups.
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Watch these three videos, they give several details of the way vintage PAFs were made and how SD recreates the originals. There are key elements scattered through out the videos related to the antiquity, '59, Seth Lover and Pearly Gates pups.
[youtube=425,350]zCR4w4hAtRo[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]iCqrGyEJFqc[/youtube]
[youtube=425,350]144MHgNrKb8[/youtube]
Sorry to expand on what the SD marketing VP said... but if you wanted to demagnitize an AlNiCo magnet via shock...it takes quite a bit. I had an alnico slug here.. from an old transistor radio speaker... and hit it and hit it and hit it and hit it. IT still read the same on my "gauss meter" (same number of paperclips lifted). I finally hit it a real good one. And it shattered. It would take more than dropping the guitar to alter the magnetics of the pickup.
As for magnetic fields.... You lean your guitar on the amp. Night after night. He says the magnets weaken, age, etc. OH MY GOD, what has happened to the magnets in the speakers. Nothing. The BS meter is pegging.... the damn needle is bent again.
Truth is - Alnico is some pretty hard stuff to demagnetize. Google it.
As for magnetic fields.... You lean your guitar on the amp. Night after night. He says the magnets weaken, age, etc. OH MY GOD, what has happened to the magnets in the speakers. Nothing. The BS meter is pegging.... the damn needle is bent again.
Truth is - Alnico is some pretty hard stuff to demagnetize. Google it.
I've (accidentally) killed an Alnico 5 overnight by leaving its north pole facing the north pole of an Alnico 8. I only meant to leave it for a half hour for a partial degauss, but forgot about it until the next morning.
Yeah, it would pick up a screw or two but I barely got any sound out of my JB after that. The A-8 sounded fantastic in it though. :laughing7:
Yeah, it would pick up a screw or two but I barely got any sound out of my JB after that. The A-8 sounded fantastic in it though. :laughing7:
That kind of close proximity would do it. Gotta remember that amps make AC fields, not DC. The interaction of amp to magnet.....Another thing to remember is the inverse square law applies, whereas you double the distance and quarter the strength. So lets say...from 1/2 inch to 8 inches distance is a 16x change in distance and 1/256th the field strength. And... fields dont all go in the same direction, depending on the coil and its orientation with the laminations of the transformer... Your amp isn't gonna kill your pickup....unless you hold the pickup directly against the power transformer for a long time.
Temperature variations to magnetism seem to occur at about 1000F degrees, so that isn't an issue either
Temperature variations to magnetism seem to occur at about 1000F degrees, so that isn't an issue either
yes opposing feilds in close proximity will do it but alnico magnets are very stable all other conditions. demagnetization do to fluctuating temps is also not right but you can demagnetize something by bringing it near it's curry temp. which you can do if the guitar is thrown into a fire but at that point the steel and alnico parts will be all that is left of the guitar. all these things were true of steel based magnets of the 1930's and prior but alnico is much more stable than that.Blue313 said:
the best part was when he suggested that people can tell what direction the cable is plugged in and what specific type of battery you use. dead batteries are one thing but what type? they all put out 9v dc.
and there is nothing directional about a cable, nothing! if the strands are twisted clockwise and you look at it from the other end guess what they are still twisted clockwise!
and there is nothing directional about a cable, nothing! if the strands are twisted clockwise and you look at it from the other end guess what they are still twisted clockwise!
There's all sorts of myths and legends out there -
The amp world is full of them - carbon comp resistors, blue mallory caps, CTS pots, fishpaper wrapped transformers, 11 interleave transformers, etc etc etc.
The speaker world is full of them, naming paper mfg for cones, voice coil windings, dust cap brittleness, you name it
The guitar world is full of them, naming thin finish, bone nuts, brass nuts, old wood, old pickups, old bridges, old old old... anything.
Some from the amp world really got me laughing - co-planar design of point to point wiring (Weber), split impedance (Weber), front firing speakers (Weber).... front firing amps (Weber) starting to sound like a broken record.
Just go over to the LPF and enjoy the vintage reissue threads... in the Historic District.
Considering there were only 635 of the 1959 Les Pauls made, and over 2000 bona fide original ones today... (ahem) something's gotta give.
Which is why I like the uW forum, and building my own "legendary" guitars, for my own use, with my own hands, to satisfy my own ears. We tend to take things as they come here. Debunk what needs debunking, expand on what needs expanding, and passing on all that is good and right with guitars, with very little bs seeing its own first birthday.
The amp world is full of them - carbon comp resistors, blue mallory caps, CTS pots, fishpaper wrapped transformers, 11 interleave transformers, etc etc etc.
The speaker world is full of them, naming paper mfg for cones, voice coil windings, dust cap brittleness, you name it
The guitar world is full of them, naming thin finish, bone nuts, brass nuts, old wood, old pickups, old bridges, old old old... anything.
Some from the amp world really got me laughing - co-planar design of point to point wiring (Weber), split impedance (Weber), front firing speakers (Weber).... front firing amps (Weber) starting to sound like a broken record.
Just go over to the LPF and enjoy the vintage reissue threads... in the Historic District.
Considering there were only 635 of the 1959 Les Pauls made, and over 2000 bona fide original ones today... (ahem) something's gotta give.
Which is why I like the uW forum, and building my own "legendary" guitars, for my own use, with my own hands, to satisfy my own ears. We tend to take things as they come here. Debunk what needs debunking, expand on what needs expanding, and passing on all that is good and right with guitars, with very little bs seeing its own first birthday.
well i agree mostly but as far as old wood goes there is a difference in grain density between old growth forests and what we get today but that doesn't apply to electric guitar but more to violins and such.
don't get me wrong old stuff sounded good but it may have been a matter of luck in some cases
don't get me wrong old stuff sounded good but it may have been a matter of luck in some cases
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