Getting rid of headstock dive

[SustainerPlayer]

 

[swarfrat]

Only Gibson..It's a bit like making love in 3/4 time. I SUPPOSE you could, if you work at it hard enough. But it's not only awkward, but flies completely in the face of a solution so obvious and instinctive that you have to work hard at NOT doing it that way.

Just use an autoharp style pin tuner. Voila, straight pull, no string trees (forest in this case)

 

[sixstringsamurai]

 

[Cagey]

Bury it with a shovel and then bury the shovel.

 

[Fat Pete]

Poor thing, must have got itself caught in a threshing machine.

 

[bagman67]

There's a mohel out there who's never getting another job.

 

[AndyG]

Appropriate that something that hideous looks like Gibson is give you the finger.  There may be 6 tuners, but only 5 knuckles. :evil4:

 

[line6man]

Someone needs to learn how to string a guitar properly. Those tuning posts have about fifty wraps too many.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Appropriate that something that hideous looks like Gibson is give you the finger.  There may be 6 tuners, but only 5 knuckles. :evil4:

7 and 6.

 

[AndyG]

Appropriate that something that hideous looks like Gibson is give you the finger.  There may be 6 tuners, but only 5 knuckles. :evil4:

7 and 6.

7 strings ... but I only see 6 machine heads.  Unless the 7th is hiding behind that finger ... which would make that design that much more bizarre.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

7 posts would apply 7 tuners.  I'd assume a banjo style/Firebird/Steinberger tuner on the middle.  You know what happens when one assumes?  They make an ass of Una Thurman.

The 3 bass side tuners look like bass tuners, from the keys down to the posts.  The middle is different, and the 3 trebliest ones look like guitar tuners.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

It's amazing what swapping out the stock metal buttons for pearl or ebony buttons ala Stew Mac can do to reduce headstock weight.

 

[Cagey]

Amazing? That might be too strong a word for it.

From a previous post I wrote:

I have a set of 6 Kluson Deluxe tuners in a bag with screws, bushings and washers. On my scale, they weigh 6.3 ounces, or 178 grams. I also have a set of 6 Schaller Mini-Lockers in a bag with screws, bushings and washers. They weigh 8.7 ounces, or 246 grams. So, replacing the cheapest, lightest, junkiest tuners extant with the most expensive, heaviest, best lockers would add 2.4 ounces to any guitar. Negligible, to say the least. Wearing a sweatshirt instead of a t-shirt would put more load on you.

I gotta think changing the buttons would make even less of a difference.

In my experience, neck dive is almost never due to neck weight, per se. It's poor forward strap hanger location, which puts the center of balance too far forward. The heaviest neck I have here is an Ebony over Bloodwood Warmoth "Pro" part with locking Schallers on it. Weighs 2lbs. That's a heavy neck. But, that guitar is nowhere near risk of neck dive because it's a VIP body, which (like a Strat) puts the forward strap hanger at the end of the upper horn, which is ahead of the center of balance.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Neckdive is as much where the weight is as what the weight is.  Most people can lift an 80lb bag of concrete but can't hold it at arms length.  Ounces do make a difference at the end of a headstock.

 

[sixstringsamurai]

Split suede strap, and mount your top button on/through the heel plate instead of the upper horn/bout, like an SG.

:headbang:

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

Ok Cagey, perhaps I over accentuated, lol :tard:

 

[Cagey]

That's ok. I just like running over the dogma with my karma <grin>

A lot of people think tuner weight matters just because someone told them it did, and it does make sense on the surface. But, if you have some facts in hand, you realize you don't have to suffer junk tuners. Good ones are no hardship, and make life easier.

 

[stubhead]

Oh goody goody, all I have to do is c'n'p meself (this was re: graphite bass neck bars - for $60 more!):

C) Warmoth automatically puts steel bars in them (no charge), and they work better than graphite. No, no, NO dead spots on the D string. Yippee. Graphite bars are if you're terrified of “neck dive.” “Neck Dive” is something that happens if you like to take both hands off your instrument and dance around with your hands in the air. This is probably the wrong forum for that.

Seriously, neck dive happens to SG-shaped basses, with maybe five or six real elephant-ear tuners (I hate dinky bass tuners). So keep your hand on the neck where it belongs. This is another one of those things desperate writers invent when they finally, irrevocably, totally ran the friggin' craptalk “MOJO” well bone-dry. Hey, let's all go pee in the well so they can start up again! Yay!... it's like “string separation.” What in the hell IS string separation? If your strings are separating, I think you need some new strings.

Well I got that far might as well sink the money shot:

G) Say, did I remember to mention -

MY CAT SAVED MY BOY!



Or, he would have. He COULD have - little kid's gotta work on his scheduling better, man needs his beauty sleep ya know? Arf! Arf! Arf! Aw shuddup already!