General board conduct

[kboman]

I'll be brief here.

People need to quit being such damn crybabies. It's a forum with people from all over the world. There's a good chance something might be said that you do not like. So what? What gives anyone the right to  tell someone what they can or can't say or should say or whatever.

- Telling people they are cybabies is not a good way of spreading goodwill.
- This is not your house, nor is it mine: it's Eric's and Gregg's, and they decide what can be said or not. It's their right to do so, as you put it.

I have criticized many times how this board treats newbies. I don't like it.

I agree, it gets a bit much sometimes. On the other hand, in many cases newbies are welcomed with open arms.


EDIT: Well that came off as needlessly confrontational, but I'll let it stand. Generally I think we should just hold back on the locker room jargon and the air will be easier to breathe here. And not be so damn touchy about our rights, because rights without responsobilities are worthless.

 

[NLD09]

It's kinda that way with everything though isn't it? There's always an initiation process when you're new somewhere.

 

[Updown]

Well myself being a fairly newbie here (well since Jan this year) to this Forum.
I haven't got any complaints at all on the way I've been welcomed / treated or spoken to etc here.
(I'm a Mod on another site, so I do know the ropes)

If there is something that I dislike or take offence to here (or anywhere)  :icon_scratch:  I just don't reply or lose any sleep over !!

Sorry all …. but life's just way to short, to get into a argumentative match over silly little things.
(thats what the ex wife was for)  :laughing7:

Of cause everyone has there own opinion / likes & dislikes & surely they have every right to that.
The world would be a bloody boring place if we all liked the same things on this little planet called earth.

If ya want to see true rudeness & the lack of respect for other members on a forum, go to a Gibson forum !!

I like it here  :icon_biggrin:  & at the same time I get to learn a lot more about a lot of different things.

Thanks all for you Kindness / Help / Support & yes the Humour.  :icon_thumright:

 

[Jusatele]

I find the best way to keep from getting my panties in a bunch is to not wear any. I do however happen to have a pair of big boy pants that fit just right.

My Hero

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

I'll be brief here.

People need to quit being such damn crybabies. It's a forum with people from all over the world. There's a good chance something might be said that you do not like. So what? What gives anyone the right to  tell someone what they can or can't say or should say or whatever.

- Telling people they are cybabies is not a good way of spreading goodwill.
- This is not your house, nor is it mine: it's Eric's and Gregg's, and they decide what can be said or not. It's their right to do so, as you put it.

I have criticized many times how this board treats newbies. I don't like it.

I agree, it gets a bit much sometimes. On the other hand, in many cases newbies are welcomed with open arms.


EDIT: Well that came off as needlessly confrontational, but I'll let it stand. Generally I think we should just hold back on the locker room jargon and the air will be easier to breathe here. And not be so damn touchy about our rights, because rights without responsobilities are worthless.

Not to throw a turd in your hot-tub, but you're contradicting exactly what you said in the first place.  You're talking about the lack of spreading good will, then you're saying "not to be so damn touchy."

As for "newbs" being treated poorly, I didn't find myself treated poorly when I first came upon this forum.  If I recall, in my first post, I introduced myself, posted a pic of my guitar, and answered questions people were asking about it.  The only time I can recall people getting a little goofy was over a few comments I made about the "Guitar of the Month" contest, and mentioned there were a few things that were unclear about the rules.  For some reason, that seemed like a prime opportunity for the immaturity or bad attitudes to rear their ugly heads.  :icon_scratch:  Once I'd asked questions about that contest, maybe TWO or THREE people came forward to explain, while the others cast stones and pissed venom.

The way I look at it is this; Warmoths are not cheap guitars.  Some of our treasured axes cost well into the $2000 range, and some, probably even more.  I guess I'm a little bit lost as to how the same people who can afford these guitars, who I'd assume hold down successful, professional jobs (or trust funds...), could act so trivial and immature at times.  These aren't $129 Squier Bullets we're owning here.  Given that ASSUMPTION, one would expect a higher level of overall intelligence to be presented.

As recently as a month and a half ago, I was banned from a Jackson forum for telling a moderator to cool his jets after he totally thrashed a new member, and I was not alone in taking up for this new member.  The others were banned as well, for taking a stance with the new member.  The moderator decided he was just gonna go off, calling the newb a troll, idiot, and all sorts of remarks just because he posted in the wrong section of a forum.  :icon_scratch:  One thing's for sure, I'm very happy to NOT be associated with that forum any longer, because any forum owner who allows his staff to treat members like that, I don't want anything to do with.  That's not even including the number of members who behave the same way.  Again, we're talking about people who own guitars which cost $1000s, and some of these people own over 30 of them.  I would also expect to see a higher level of professionalism/intelligence out of people who own that type of cash.

I think most of the people here are a good bunch, and the ones who aren't part of that group, they're not even important enough that I remember their screen names.  They are simply just...insignificant.

If there needs to be more moderation on the forum, or the staff here is feeling overwhelmed, my suggestion is to seek out some of the more positive members here and offer opportunities to be moderators.

I'm just going to close out this post by saying this; if this forum turns into a toilet like that Jackson forum is, I'll be the first member here requesting my account to be removed, because I'm not going to sit around, wasting my time, dodging stupid internet forum wars.  I come here to relax and enjoy myself.  If I want to go dodge fights, I'll go down the street on a Friday night to the "Dirty Dawg Saloon."

 

[pabloman]

I'll be brief here.

People need to quit being such damn crybabies. It's a forum with people from all over the world. There's a good chance something might be said that you do not like. So what? What gives anyone the right to  tell someone what they can or can't say or should say or whatever.

- Telling people they are cybabies is not a good way of spreading goodwill.
- This is not your house, nor is it mine: it's Eric's and Gregg's, and they decide what can be said or not. It's their right to do so, as you put it.

-I was not trying to spread goodwill.
-Yes I read the same post you did. I know who's "house" this is. My comment wasn't about the moderators, it was about the self appointed forum police.

 

[Corey P.]

I've had a really good experience here, so I'm surprised to hear about drama - that said I haven't really gotten into any of the non-guitar sub-forums or threads, but the quality of conversations and feedback in the instrument-focused areas has been great.

 

[Jusatele]

I will step in and say a few things

I have owned a few forums, and had modded and admined a few more.

first thing to realize is that a forum goes through a natural evolution as it ages, at first it is hard just to get the forum to flow as you wait for enough members to join and be active to flow and have interesting content for others to read. One of the biggest parts of this stage is to get what is called a community. This community needs to be so much more than tech related, it needs ot be guys just chewing the rag about off topic items. What happens is you need a bunch o guys with common interest to become friends and decide to hang out.
Once this happens, the forum gains momentum.

During this time a few guys will show up with a lot of tech to offer, the more the division of tech topics, the larger this crowd will be ass some are best at this and others at that.

Once the site gets successful, and offers a large backlog of tech to offer it becomes a place for those who need info to come to.

Now as the site grows and there are many new and many guys with knowledge going around, the social arguments start, people feel sighted over stupid stuff, guys who have been the expert, suddenly are faced with guys who know more than them and get upset when called down. Guys who are posing get called out and soon are poed the got caught. And it goes on.

what has happened is you have a normal everyday social community with a tech forum attached, and that is a problem. A simple remark in writing can be mis interpreted real easy, and because of the unnatural flow of a forum, not like a conversation at all, by the time you get back to explain what you mean it has been blown so far out of hand it is a major argument. and seeing how guys have put it down in print, they are very slow to back down. Simple apologies do not work as there is still the printed word there. This is where each and every one of us fails in this.

3  things you must realize if you are posting on line.
1. no one cares in 3 days, if you look like an idiot today, in 3 days you are just one of the guys again, just like with your friends at home, everyone screws up
2. If you see something that offends you, you can clear it up in PMs, most of the stuff argued over is taking something the wrong way and having no way to ask a question that will be answered in seconds not hours.
3. Arguing over the internet makes you look like an idiot, when someone wants to argue with me I refuse to budge just to piss them off more, even if they are correct, and I roll on the floor laughing thinking up ways to get them madder at me. Just ask around here, most guys will tell you that about me. why? hey if your life is so small that something someone who you have never met, will never meet, would not recognize if they sat next to you, and what they say does not matter if you will have food on your table tomorrow, says something that gets you so mad you have to argue with them, then you are the fool, not them.

and for the Adminsof this site

Losing members is not anything you can affect, it is going to happen, they will move on when they are bored, pissed, or find a new forum they like more.
If you cater to the old members, you will lose the new, One thing is old members get bored of the same ole questions, but to a newb, that is the most important question there is.
Interest change, how many times you going show up at a guitar building site if you are not building guitars?
Members who are valued today, can become a problem tomorrow as they feel they are entitled because of what they did for the forum last year.

Forums evolve, keep out the politics and the religion, keep out the cuss words, delete arguments that get out of hand, but remember that 2 things will kill a forum faster than anything else

Censorship and Guys who feel entitled because of post count or length of being there. Booth of those can drive a forum down fast.

Newbs are the life blood of a forum, without guys asking for advice, this forum would not be what it is today, if they are not welcome with arms out wide, then this forum will decrease, and this forum is a huge sales driving machine for Warmoth.

 

[pabloman]

Very well said.

 

[kboman]

to throw a turd in your hot-tub, but you're contradicting exactly what you said in the first place.  You're talking about the lack of spreading good will, then you're saying "not to be so damn touchy."

Too true, serves me right for writing from work all distracted by customers and other irrelevant stuff :help:

The only time I can recall people getting a little goofy was over a few comments I made about the "Guitar of the Month" contest, and mentioned there were a few things that were unclear about the rules.  For some reason, that seemed like a prime opportunity for the immaturity or bad attitudes to rear their ugly heads.  :icon_scratch:  Once I'd asked questions about that contest, maybe TWO or THREE people came forward to explain, while the others cast stones and pissed venom.

The GOTM thing has been a source of serious aggravation in the past. I'm actually not sure why the competition rules cause such high emotional tides, but there you go. I'm sorry you got caught in the middle of it!

I'm just going to close out this post by saying this; if this forum turns into a toilet like that Jackson forum is, I'll be the first member here requesting my account to be removed, because I'm not going to sit around, wasting my time, dodging stupid internet forum wars.  I come here to relax and enjoy myself.  If I want to go dodge fights, I'll go down the street on a Friday night to the "Dirty Dawg Saloon."

I'm just a minor member/voice here myself, but so far you seem like a cool guy and I hope you stay, even if you do have terrible taste in guitar shapes :icon_jokercolor:

Well, enough of this thread. See you in the guitar-ogling threads!

 

[Torment Leaves Scars]

to throw a turd in your hot-tub, but you're contradicting exactly what you said in the first place.  You're talking about the lack of spreading good will, then you're saying "not to be so damn touchy."

Too true, serves me right for writing from work all distracted by customers and other irrelevant stuff :help:

The only time I can recall people getting a little goofy was over a few comments I made about the "Guitar of the Month" contest, and mentioned there were a few things that were unclear about the rules.  For some reason, that seemed like a prime opportunity for the immaturity or bad attitudes to rear their ugly heads.  :icon_scratch:  Once I'd asked questions about that contest, maybe TWO or THREE people came forward to explain, while the others cast stones and pissed venom.

The GOTM thing has been a source of serious aggravation in the past. I'm actually not sure why the competition rules cause such high emotional tides, but there you go. I'm sorry you got caught in the middle of it!

I'm just going to close out this post by saying this; if this forum turns into a toilet like that Jackson forum is, I'll be the first member here requesting my account to be removed, because I'm not going to sit around, wasting my time, dodging stupid internet forum wars.  I come here to relax and enjoy myself.  If I want to go dodge fights, I'll go down the street on a Friday night to the "Dirty Dawg Saloon."

I'm just a minor member/voice here myself, but so far you seem like a cool guy and I hope you stay, even if you do have terrible taste in guitar shapes :icon_jokercolor:

Well, enough of this thread. See you in the guitar-ogling threads!

Okay, see, now you just insulted my guitar!  That's exactly what we're talkin' about here!  The "jester icon" doesn't make everything better!  The hurt is still there!   :icon_biggrin:

BTW, my taste is about to get a lot worse, because I am seriously gassing for a USA Custom Shop DBZ Bird of Prey.  :toothy12:

I think the GOTM is a sore subject because people feel as if favoritism is shown, and in most cases, it probably is.  Given that this forum is pretty biased towards the Strat/Tele, it's doubtful any guitar shape but a Strat/Tele would ever win GOTM, and no, I'm not saying that just because I'm the only person who voted for my guitar last month.  :icon_biggrin:  It's just the way it is.  In all honesty, I'm the only person I know (aside from some Jackson fans on a BETTER Jackson site I joined...) that appreciate the radical designs like B.C. Rich, DBZs, etc.  They're just not popular shapes, and I'm more than cool with that, because in all honesty, the LESS people I see playing a guitar like mine, the happier I am!

Let's not forget that we ALL think our guitars should be the GOTM.  We've all put a ton of hours into making them our dreams, and let's be honest, we've all put a ton of money into them as well.  We take a lot of pride in our treasured guitars, and when someone else doesn't "nut-hug," it hurts our feelings.  We all want our hard work to be recognized, and we all want pats on the back.  When that doesn't happen, we get a little agitated.  It's just human nature to want to be recognized for your efforts, and let's be honest, aside from the basic aesthetics of playing quality instruments made to our personal specs, we also built them for the little bit of extra attention they'd garner, too.  I absolutely love it when someone compliments my guitar, because then it just gives me an excuse to talk about it.  :icon_biggrin:

 

[pabloman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-Id_fuXFA

You can say whatever you want, just use the icon. It's in the Geneva Convention! :laughing3:

 

[Wyliee]

I find the best way to keep from getting my panties in a bunch is to not wear any. I do however happen to have a pair of big boy pants that fit just right.

You think that kind of sexist machismo is funny or appropriate?

You're joking right? I mean there is absolutely no way in hell you could be serious right now. If you are then you are only reinforcing my point. People need to quit being such damn crybabies. It's a forum with people from all over the world. There's a good chance something might be said that you do not like. So what? What gives anyone the right to  tell someone what they can or can't say or should say or whatever. Take it with a grain of salt. Write it off as that person's problem and don't make it your own. There are way more important things in life than worrying about someone on the internet. Same thing works for the other half of the equation. Some people are just overly sensitive and it may be a good idea to just feel them out before treating them in a familiar way. I have criticized many times how this board treats newbies. I don't like it. that said I'm not going to get my unisex undergarmet in a bunch, I will just put on my nondescript dual gender slacks and go on about my day.

This perfectly illustrates my point.  I saw the sarcasm in your post and moved on.  But that was only possible having read your comments elsewhere and understanding how you tend to post.  Not everyone has that background.  Look how quickly the comment derailed this thread.

Further, we need to bear in mind this is an international forum.  For some, English is a second, third or fourth language.  Even if their written English is quite good, do not expect everyone to fully grasp the subtle nuances and cultural references.  The same goes for any cultural references.

In general, I agree with Jusatele's comments but will add this:  For some, arguing on the internet forums is a recreational hobby.  Thinking of ways to irritate someone or stir the pot might be fun for you (generic *you*, not Jusatele specifically), but negatively affects the forum as a whole.  This is the 'black cloud' referenced in our Guidelines.  Throwing a verbal hand grenade into a thread and derailing it has become more common.

Enjoy the information available on the forum and the social aspects it provides.  Just be aware that you are fully responsible for your own comments and the impact they may have.

:rock-on:

 

[stubhead]

I missed it. What happened?  :toothy12:

 

[Tobias The Warlock]

I'm not complaining about the arguing, I see it here and other boards, but I do see alot of whining about opinion like palboman says.

I am complaining about the negative people here.  Wyliee, you say there are good people here and there are a
couple but, people who post fat pictures mocking me in a sneaky way are not good people.

I just want to have good conversation about guitars and I like what I see in Warmoth guitars.  I'd like to contribute but I don't want to feel like I'm back in junior high with people
making fat jokes poking fun at my music and whining about what someone else likes.

 

[elfro89]

I'm not complaining about the arguing, I see it here and other boards, but I do see alot of whining about opinion like palboman says.

I am complaining about the negative people here.  Wyliee, you say there are good people here and there are a
couple but, people who post fat pictures mocking me in a sneaky way are not good people.

I just want to have good conversation about guitars and I like what I see in Warmoth guitars.  I'd like to contribute but I don't want to feel like I'm back in junior high with people
making fat jokes poking fun at my music and whining about what someone else likes.

The person that posted the pictures was not the sort to poke derogatory hurtful remarks at forum members, I think it was probably more coincidence and mis-interpretation on your part. I myself am probably more obese then anyone on this forum and I found humour in what that particular member was posting, it was a harmless jive that was not intended to cause hurt to anyone. Without turning into Sigmund Freud I propose that you went looking for hurtful and scornful remarks and that is what you found. Before the thread was deleted he even explained that this was not his intentions and apologised. With no offence or ill-will intended towards yourself, I put it to you that the forum member in question is due an apology for the way it was taken out of context and for the villainization that you now bestow upon him. 

Peace
Pete

 

[Kublai]

Just want to remind everyone about the "Ignore" button. It is a really nice feature.

 

[m4rk0]

I'm not complaining about the arguing, I see it here and other boards, but I do see alot of whining about opinion like palboman says.

I am complaining about the negative people here.  Wyliee, you say there are good people here and there are a
couple but, people who post fat pictures mocking me in a sneaky way are not good people.

I just want to have good conversation about guitars and I like what I see in Warmoth guitars.  I'd like to contribute but I don't want to feel like I'm back in junior high with people
making fat jokes poking fun at my music and whining about what someone else likes.

why would we assume that you are fat???

 

[Soylent]

I'm not complaining about the arguing, I see it here and other boards, but I do see alot of whining about opinion like palboman says.

I am complaining about the negative people here.  Wyliee, you say there are good people here and there are a
couple but, people who post fat pictures mocking me in a sneaky way are not good people.

I just want to have good conversation about guitars and I like what I see in Warmoth guitars.  I'd like to contribute but I don't want to feel like I'm back in junior high with people
making fat jokes poking fun at my music and whining about what someone else likes.

why would we assume that you are fat???

Your avatar has been all over the net for years.. I doubt anyone assumes that's actually you..

Also I'm a big guy, like elfro, as is Marko..  and that was just Line6crazy being himself posting pictures, trying to mess with apricot mark.

 

[m4rk0]

Are you saying I is fat??? I am actually a regular sized person locked up on a weird freakishly large fat body!