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DocNrock

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There's a question for the finishing gurus.  If a mahogany body has been treated with "tru oil, followed by two coats of wax," can that be removed and another type finish be applied to the body wood?
 
That's what I thought you were going to say.  I guess I'll leave that body on e-bay for someone else to buy. 
 
Actually the finish on that mahogany doesn't look that bad at all, if you're into that body shape. Wonder what the guy was thinking installing the battery box?

http://cgi.ebay.com/WARMOTH-STAR-MAHOGANY-BODY-FLOYD-ROSE-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ190242326045QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190242326045&_trkparms=72%3A1076|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

Someone should buy pretty quick at that price....
 
jackthehack said:
Actually the finish on that mahogany doesn't look that bad at all, if you're into that body shape. Wonder what the guy was thinking installing the battery box?

http://cgi.ebay.com/WARMOTH-STAR-MAHOGANY-BODY-FLOYD-ROSE-CUSTOM_W0QQitemZ190242326045QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item190242326045&_trkparms=72%3A1076|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14.l1318

Someone should buy pretty quick at that price....
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It is a good price.  I saw that and thought it might make an interesting addition to my collection. However, I just don't dig that body style in plain mahogany; I'd want black or blue paint for the overall vibe.

For the battery box, I suspect he was thinking EMG pups.
 
If you're going to sand a body like that, a sanding block is a "must-have" thing, or you'll put dips in the surface.

You might want to go ahead and use a stripper on it first - even if there's not much to remove, it will make sanding easier.  Tru-oil can gum up sandpaper fast, getting most of it off with a stripper would make it go easier and faster..... but elbow grease and sandpaper alone will do it.

I finishing sander, like a 1/4 sheet type would be good too, just use a sanding block and fresh 220 sandpaper "with the grain"  to get the swirls removed, before you proceed with the finish.  FWIW, I just got the lowest priced DeWalt 1/4 sheet sander, and its the nicest one I've ever used, including Porter-Cable which is supposed to be "the Cadillac".  The paper holder on this DeWalt is both a pleasure to use _AND_ sturdy.  All the rest are either build well and hard to use, or easy to use and broken in short order.  Worth every penny paid for it, just over $50.

 
I have a Ryobi orbital sander that takes 6 inch disks, and also have a belt sander.  Are either or both of those taboo?
 
That would be a cool build if the douche bag hadn't gotten it routed for a recessed floyd. I would have went with a non-recessed rout since the recessed portion comes so close to the edge...

That could look pretty cool with a flying V type headstock...Or a Dean V split style..... :party07:
 
I've had the notion before to do one of those style star shapes, but have it upside down....
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DangerousR6 said:
I've had the notion before to do one of those style star shapes, but have it upside down....
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I was actually thinking the same thing this week!
 
DangerousR6 said:
That would be a cool build if the douche bag hadn't gotten it routed for a recessed floyd. I would have went with a non-recessed rout since the recessed portion comes so close to the edge...

That could look pretty cool with a flying V type headstock...Or a Dean V split style..... :party07:
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It does come close to the edge, but I'm not a big fan of non-recessed Floyds.  One Satch style pull-up and there are a few nice gouges in the finish.  Regarding the neck, a V headstock would look good, so would a Lawrence/Hetfield, or this:  http://www.warmoth.com/showcase/sc_guitar_necks.cfm?type=guitar&itemNumber=MN903&menuItem=10&subMenuItem=0&subMenuItem2=0
 
DocNrock said:
I have a Ryobi orbital sander that takes 6 inch disks, and also have a belt sander.  Are either or both of those taboo?
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Both are taboo.  THe obital is "maybe" ok, if you stick to super fine paper and have a huge amount of experience.... BUT... BUT... its so damn easy to dig in and gouge and scallop and swirl with those, I'd not do it.  On a truck fender with bondo... yah, I'd do it.  On a guitar, no way.

The belt sander is worse.

You want a finishing sander.... the one where you take an 8-1/2 x 11 sheet of sandpaper, cut it in quarters.  Those you can screw up with too, but you have to almost try.  Go light, go fine... let the sander do the work.  Dont press in, just guide the machine and keep it moving.

 
-CB- said:
DocNrock said:
I have a Ryobi orbital sander that takes 6 inch disks, and also have a belt sander.  Are either or both of those taboo?
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Both are taboo.  THe obital is "maybe" ok, if you stick to super fine paper and have a huge amount of experience.... BUT... BUT... its so damn easy to dig in and gouge and scallop and swirl with those, I'd not do it.   On a truck fender with bondo... yah, I'd do it.  On a guitar, no way.

The belt sander is worse.

You want a finishing sander.... the one where you take an 8-1/2 x 11 sheet of sandpaper, cut it in quarters.   Those you can screw up with too, but you have to almost try.  Go light, go fine... let the sander do the work.  Dont press in, just guide the machine and keep it moving.
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Thanks for the reply to this question...good to know.
 
-CB- said:
DocNrock said:
I have a Ryobi orbital sander that takes 6 inch disks, and also have a belt sander.  Are either or both of those taboo?
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Both are taboo.  THe obital is "maybe" ok, if you stick to super fine paper and have a huge amount of experience.... BUT... BUT... its so damn easy to dig in and gouge and scallop and swirl with those, I'd not do it.   On a truck fender with bondo... yah, I'd do it.  On a guitar, no way.

The belt sander is worse.

You want a finishing sander.... the one where you take an 8-1/2 x 11 sheet of sandpaper, cut it in quarters.   Those you can screw up with too, but you have to almost try.  Go light, go fine... let the sander do the work.  Dont press in, just guide the machine and keep it moving.
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+1, Also, don't use one of the cheaper finishing sanders; look for a model that has a thick felt or rubber-like pad that the sandpaper lays on. In addition you have to pay a lot of attention to the sandpaper's condition while using; a tear in the sandpaper while sanding can screw up what you're trying to do in 2 seconds.
 
DocNrock said:
DangerousR6 said:
Hey Doc, you could get this one. It's alder unfinished, couple cans of krylon and you're good to go......But alas it's been cut with the non-recessed floyd...oh well...
http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-XStar-Guitar-Body-HxH-Unfinished-Alder_W0QQitemZ350087691620QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item350087691620&_trkparms=72%3A1074%7C39%3A1%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&timeout=1218491961116
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Naaaahhh, I'm a Warmoth snob.  :icon_thumright:
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