Digitech Trio... Pretty cool! (EDIT: Electroharmonix B9 vs. C9 pedal)
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Funny you should bring that up. I was just introduced to the that unit today. Seems like it would be a fun thing.
Used to have "Band in a Box" on the computer about 100 years ago. That was similar fun, but not so automatic. Also, not so hi-fi. Still, a great practice accompaniment.
Most amazing thing I've heard lately is Electro-Harmonix's "C9" pedal. Check this out, and tell me you don't want one RFN.
Used to have "Band in a Box" on the computer about 100 years ago. That was similar fun, but not so automatic. Also, not so hi-fi. Still, a great practice accompaniment.
Most amazing thing I've heard lately is Electro-Harmonix's "C9" pedal. Check this out, and tell me you don't want one RFN.
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I'm in lust with that C9 pedal too. I normally don't run any pedals but I have wanted that one since it came out.
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Enough time investigating it, and the magic box I bet could do that. I heard one tone from it I already have in the AXE.Cagey said:
The AxeFx almost certainly has some kind of spectrum-dividing parametric EQ, right? Organs have basically NO treble signal, it's almost like the fundamental and just a couple lower harmonics - the "drawbars" on an organ select among those, but an organ has really discrete separation between the octaves selected. God for all the hype, the AxeFX thing better have some extremely competent parametric EQ stuff going... But typically when you kill treble, you sicken your mids too, and those, you need. And a "swell" function that plays with the attack envelope of notes - this is often found in with the noise gate functions, I guess there's a similarity in the processing that pairs those. And to be an organ, you'll have to track down a Leslie rotating speaker sound; and you should be able to lock that in tempo with a specific note time value, be it quarters or half notes or dotted eights or such. You want to do that because them you can sync a tremolo volume-wobbling function to it. EH made their "POG" boxes that separate out tone control for each part of the spectrum, and so many people were using it with a Leslie-type box to make organ noises they decided to put it all in the same box. If you think about it a bit, you can see that what makes guitars sound "guitar-y" largely has to do with the pick attack - you can back into organ noises with a volume pedal alone, but you have to EQ your signal into the organ range, and - play ORGAN parts. They don't tend to bend strings, for example....
They also make a "Ravish sitar" box - but to do that noise, all you have to do is have a delay that can be set as low as 3, 4, 5 milliseconds, then turn up the repeats and delay volume into the 90's somewhere - instant sitar.
They also make a "Ravish sitar" box - but to do that noise, all you have to do is have a delay that can be set as low as 3, 4, 5 milliseconds, then turn up the repeats and delay volume into the 90's somewhere - instant sitar.
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Investigate the factory preset Organic as a starting point. Also for the rotary part, look at having your HF and LF "horns" turn at variable rates independent of each other. Somewhere I save some screen shots of a preset I did this in when I was using the Ultra. When I find it I will post it. You could use this as a starting point as well.
I need to get back into the box and do some deep editing for some special things. I just got so busy playing that I eneded up quite a few FW versions behind and lost my learning curve. Also there are some 1 trick pony presets I never recreated in the II that I had in my Ultra (like a preset for U2 Mysterious Ways)
I need to get back into the box and do some deep editing for some special things. I just got so busy playing that I eneded up quite a few FW versions behind and lost my learning curve. Also there are some 1 trick pony presets I never recreated in the II that I had in my Ultra (like a preset for U2 Mysterious Ways)
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Cagey, I couldn't find the pics, so I emailed a ppt to you with the screenshots of the Rotary patch from my Ultra before I went II.
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Start with the Organic preset, remove shimmer, add rotary
There are a number of Yootoob vids of Gov't Mule playing Zepp's "No Quarter" with guest guitarist Audley Freed covering the Mellotron parts on guitar. This MAY be one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOcTxR7qEP4
There's another up there, but (unfortunately?) John Paul Jones is also there, so it's not clear who's what.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cg4fcJQkpk
You can see Freed starting the organ parts, but JPJ is also playing keys. However, if you search "pog organ sounds" you'll find a bunch of examples & toot orioles. I'm not disparaging the new E-H box - they did all the hard stuff, and picked out some settings that worked, one-stop shopping - but you do have all the elements there in front of you. The only reason I know is that a bunch of steel guitarists, somewhat desperate for employment (for some odd reason? :icon_biggrin
, have learned to cover organ parts. The basic formula is E-H POG + leslie rotating speaker fakery, and the POG is just an evolved octave & fifth-adding box. And then you have to re-EQ it, and then you have to play it keeping your organ in mind.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOcTxR7qEP4
There's another up there, but (unfortunately?) John Paul Jones is also there, so it's not clear who's what.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cg4fcJQkpk
You can see Freed starting the organ parts, but JPJ is also playing keys. However, if you search "pog organ sounds" you'll find a bunch of examples & toot orioles. I'm not disparaging the new E-H box - they did all the hard stuff, and picked out some settings that worked, one-stop shopping - but you do have all the elements there in front of you. The only reason I know is that a bunch of steel guitarists, somewhat desperate for employment (for some odd reason? :icon_biggrin
, have learned to cover organ parts. The basic formula is E-H POG + leslie rotating speaker fakery, and the POG is just an evolved octave & fifth-adding box. And then you have to re-EQ it, and then you have to play it keeping your organ in mind.Since I don't have an AxeFX, I decided to get one of the Electroharmonix organ pedals that Cagey talked about above. I didn't remember the name when I was at the store, but the sales guy seemed to know what I was talking about. When I got home, I had been sold the B9, not the C9. Since then, I have been comparing the online videos for each of these; I haven't opened the box yet. Still undecided on whether or not I should keep the B9 or exchange it for the C9. They're the same price, but the C9 would have to be ordered. The B9 is what they had in stock.
It seems the two complement each other. They have different sounds, and one is not clearly superior to the other. I like the sounds in the B9, but I also like the sounds in the C9. But I don't want to buy both!
Does anyone have experience with both the B9 and the C9?
It seems the two complement each other. They have different sounds, and one is not clearly superior to the other. I like the sounds in the B9, but I also like the sounds in the C9. But I don't want to buy both!
Does anyone have experience with both the B9 and the C9?
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I think you've already sussed it out. They're basically the same unit, but one emulates one group of organs, while the other emulates another. The C9 seems to do the Deep Purple thing better, if that matters.
The one downfall of the things seems to be dealing with legato and/or bends. If you watch the videos, they're super-impressive, but the guys are playing very deliberate notes/chords. No slides or bends. So, it would seem the thing has a slower A>D sampling or processing rate than what might be optimal. Certainly not the end of the world, and almost not an issue overall if you don't need to get the tonewheel tricks happening. But, that's not a B9/C9 thing anyway.
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The one downfall of the things seems to be dealing with legato and/or bends. If you watch the videos, they're super-impressive, but the guys are playing very deliberate notes/chords. No slides or bends. So, it would seem the thing has a slower A>D sampling or processing rate than what might be optimal. Certainly not the end of the world, and almost not an issue overall if you don't need to get the tonewheel tricks happening. But, that's not a B9/C9 thing anyway.
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I tried the TRIO a couple of days ago, and as soon as the drums started, the guy who works at the shop (Sam Ash) and I looked at each other and shook our heads...extremely cheesy drum sounds,
which really doesn't make much sense in todays digital universe...then another one of the sales staff
started messing with it (I was done in about 63 seconds); bass lines wouldn't synch with guitar, drums and bass not really with each other...two different tempos going on...he finally got it ''working'' though
not often, and you could tell it's got great potential, but it ain't there yet...I'll wait and check out the
second generation unit....
which really doesn't make much sense in todays digital universe...then another one of the sales staff
started messing with it (I was done in about 63 seconds); bass lines wouldn't synch with guitar, drums and bass not really with each other...two different tempos going on...he finally got it ''working'' though
not often, and you could tell it's got great potential, but it ain't there yet...I'll wait and check out the
second generation unit....
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There are a number of devices out there that are basically designed to be training wheels. Almost anything that replaces an instrument's hardware falls into that category. Some devices are better than others. Very few of them are purported to be replacements for studio-grade sfx or professional players - they just provide a reasonable facsimile. So, I wouldn't complain too much. The Trio actually does a fairly good job in it's intended space. It's extremely unlikely anybody in their right mind would record anything for distribution using such a thing. So, there's no sense in calling it less than perfect. It was never meant to be.
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pabloman said:
Agreed!! I was simply hoping it would be a fun practice tool. Never thought in terms of recording--for recording I always utilize HUMAN TOOLS :icon_jokercolor:! But, it's rather difficult to be creative when the bass is 'playing' at a different tempo than the drums. In fact, it's a bit difficult to be tolerant, too.
I would readily admit that I am in fact the tool at fault, being digitally brain dead, except every employee of the shop had the same problem. Maybe it was one faulty unit , who knows? I really was rooting for it, though--I love the idea!
