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Logrinn said:
Well, being from Alberta, Canada I've been around guns all my life. My dad had a collection of about 50 and up until recently I had a couple of verrrry nice shotguns.
However, those were all guns for hunting, trap and skeet. I'm definitely not used to seeing guns that are pretty much just for hurting people. I really don't get why you'd want one. Sure, it's cool from an engineering and design point of view, but wouldn't you rather have a nice 30-06 or something? :icon_scratch:
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My guns aren't designed to hurt people, they're designed to stop the threat of lethal deadly force when a perpetrator decides that innocent people are worth preying upon.
My doors are locked for the protection of those outside, just as much as it is for those inside.
I've been through tactical training and am well aware of when, how, why to use my guns in a hostile context if needed.
In the meantime, my guns are to me what golf clubs & balls are to the golfer, or the bowling ball & pins are to the bowler.
The constant quest for precision and marksmanship in placing a small projectile at a very particularly small target across a pre-determined range of distance.
Other than that, I've found that my guns are quite lazy. Left on their own, they cause nobody any harm or foul intent in any way.
They simply express the will of their owner/user, just like my guitars do.
My doors are locked for the protection of those outside, just as much as it is for those inside.
I've been through tactical training and am well aware of when, how, why to use my guns in a hostile context if needed.
In the meantime, my guns are to me what golf clubs & balls are to the golfer, or the bowling ball & pins are to the bowler.
The constant quest for precision and marksmanship in placing a small projectile at a very particularly small target across a pre-determined range of distance.
Other than that, I've found that my guns are quite lazy. Left on their own, they cause nobody any harm or foul intent in any way.
They simply express the will of their owner/user, just like my guitars do.
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Cagey said:
I think it would be more accurate, and definitely easier to defend in court, to say you want a weapon to protect yourself and your family from what you reasonably believe to be the use, or eminent use, of deadly physical force.
I don't carry to hurt other people, on or off duty. But I will do what i reasonably believe necessary to keep other people from hurting me, my family, or anyone else.
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BigSteve22 said:
That sounds pretty reasonable, especially if it's part of your job. For myself, I know I'd never have the time and energy to practice enough to be able to hit the broad side of, well, anything. I used to shoot in the high 90's, but that took serious practice each week - and I had 30 year younger eyes and reflexes!
And Tony, I totally get the idea of sport and working to improve each week. I just don't get as a private citizen why you feel you need one for protection. Not trying to push buttons or anything here, but I really don't get it. I think a dog, like the nice retired police german shepherd that my buddy had, is probably a better bet.
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Life-threatening situations initiated by bad actors usually occur suddenly and without warning. Ideally, you would call for assistance from those trained to deal with such things. Unfortunately, all too often there isn't time to wait for intercession so you have to be prepared to defend yourself and possibly others, including your dog.
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Mayfly said:
Well, here in the Seattle area, we had 4 cops gunned down about 4 years ago in a coffee shop who were far more armed that your average lawfully abiding citizen with a concealed carry permit. Cops aren't always around, and people cannot wait for someone else to arrive. Wether at home or out on the town, the ultimate responsibility to protect myself and my family rests on my shoulders, not someone else's. As a 51 yr old man with the history of a broken back, multiple other injuries from car accidents, degenerative joint disease, and arthritis & such, my 170 lb frame cannot go toe to toe with a 240lb meth addict in hand to hand combat, even with the training that I've had. Carrying, equalizes the odds, and keeps a would be predator out of my "safe space" if and when a situation presents itself.
I've had to draw when a man pulled an axe on my then 4 yr old son in 1991 while we were out for Halloween, had to pull once in 1995 in Oakland, Ca. when stopped at a rail crossing as someone walked right up to my driver's window in broad daylight & demanded money, and once less than a year ago when I awoke from the motion sensor light in my back yard coming on at 3am flooding my master bedroom window with light, only to find a teenager trying to pry my sliding back patio door open with a pocket knife.
Just the reality of the world we live in.
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Mayfly said:
Most deadly force encounters occur at distances of 15' or less, and therefore sight alignment is rarely an issue. Push off with your weak hand, (if necessary), point your strong hand index finger at the target, (which should be along the receiver at this point), and let your body's natural centering ability bring the bore on target. Squeeze the trigger if it's still necessary.
The choice to carry or not, as a private citizen, is an extremely personal one. Choosing to defend yourself in that manner requires acceptance of the fact that you may loose, or may not be able to squeeze that trigger when the time comes. Questions which are never really answered until that moment of truth. Know the laws in your jurisdiction, and let your conscience be your guide.
Many feel that the Police are there to protect them, and therefore a weapon is not necessary. But the true function of the Police is to investigate criminal acts, and bring the suspected perpetrators before a court of competent authority. It's rare to have the criminal act occur when an Officer is on scene.
As a bumper sticker I once saw said: "I'd rather have a gun in my hand, than a cop on the phone." Even with 22 years in corrections, I've never had to use a weapon on or off duty. I still carry off duty everyday.
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Also a good one! And certainly no disrespect to my brothers on the other end of the criminal justice chain, how about this one: "I carry a gun because a Cop is too heavy."Cagey said:
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Admins, if this is too 'political' feel free to remove.
Disclaimer: I worked for a decade in the firearms industry. I have been published in a firearms magazine for my research and development in wildcats, ballistics and reloading. I was offered a job on K St in DC as a consultant in the late 90s. I currently do not own a firearm though I competed at a world level in the mid 80s. I have attended 2 of the most prestigious tactics schools in the US.
For those outside the US (and maybe some inside the US): realize that the vast majority of gun crime happens in locales that have the strictest gun laws. The fact is the US ranks top 5 in gun murders. When you remove the top 5 ultra strict gun locales, the US suddenly drops to the bottom 5 in the world. Hmmm. Facts are facts and as I am no longer in the industry or even own one, I have no dog in the hunt and am unbiased in reporting the facts.
Disclaimer: I worked for a decade in the firearms industry. I have been published in a firearms magazine for my research and development in wildcats, ballistics and reloading. I was offered a job on K St in DC as a consultant in the late 90s. I currently do not own a firearm though I competed at a world level in the mid 80s. I have attended 2 of the most prestigious tactics schools in the US.
For those outside the US (and maybe some inside the US): realize that the vast majority of gun crime happens in locales that have the strictest gun laws. The fact is the US ranks top 5 in gun murders. When you remove the top 5 ultra strict gun locales, the US suddenly drops to the bottom 5 in the world. Hmmm. Facts are facts and as I am no longer in the industry or even own one, I have no dog in the hunt and am unbiased in reporting the facts.
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Well said, and a good point to make. Criminals find it much easier to victimize when they can be reasonably assured that the intended victims do not have the means to defend themselves.TBurst Std said:
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wow - Tony: I feel for you. I'm glad that my family and I don't live in such a dangerous part of the world. The way you describe it Seattle sounds like somewhere in south america.
As a contrast, my kids go out trick or treating on their own, heck, they go to school, their friends places, the park all on their own. When we're home awake, our door is unlocked (and it's sometimes not locked when we're not there). Neighborhood kids come over all the time to play and although we do let parents know that their kid has arrived at our place, it's never been a big deal. I've lived in several places in Canada (interior BC, Edmonton AB, and now Ottawa ON) been a stupid young man out with buddies on countless occasions and never been in a situation that would require any kind of force beyond talking. Well, once I did punch someone, but that was pretty rare.
Not saying that crime does not happen, but it certainly does not pull us in to the point where we need a weapon of any kind. I don't even own a baseball bat and my knives are all swiss army!
Back on topic, here's what I think is a pretty nice gun:
As a contrast, my kids go out trick or treating on their own, heck, they go to school, their friends places, the park all on their own. When we're home awake, our door is unlocked (and it's sometimes not locked when we're not there). Neighborhood kids come over all the time to play and although we do let parents know that their kid has arrived at our place, it's never been a big deal. I've lived in several places in Canada (interior BC, Edmonton AB, and now Ottawa ON) been a stupid young man out with buddies on countless occasions and never been in a situation that would require any kind of force beyond talking. Well, once I did punch someone, but that was pretty rare.
Not saying that crime does not happen, but it certainly does not pull us in to the point where we need a weapon of any kind. I don't even own a baseball bat and my knives are all swiss army!
Back on topic, here's what I think is a pretty nice gun:
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Mayfly said:wow - Tony: I feel for you. I'm glad that my family and I don't live in such a dangerous part of the world. The way you describe it Seattle sounds like somewhere in south america.
As a contrast, my kids go out trick or treating on their own, heck, they go to school, their friends places, the park all on their own. When we're home awake, our door is unlocked (and it's sometimes not locked when we're not there). Neighborhood kids come over all the time to play and although we do let parents know that their kid has arrived at our place, it's never been a big deal. I've lived in several places in Canada (interior BC, Edmonton AB, and now Ottawa ON) been a stupid young man out with buddies on countless occasions and never been in a situation that would require any kind of force beyond talking. Well, once I did punch someone, but that was pretty rare.
Not saying that crime does not happen, but it certainly does not pull us in to the point where we need a weapon of any kind. I don't even own a baseball bat and my knives are all swiss army!
Back on topic, here's what I think is a pretty nice gun:
That's a fine weapon indeed.
It's not just Seattle, which in my opinion is not as bad as when I lived in the SF/Oakland bay area. The patio incident is the only one that has occurred in the decade that I've lived in the Pacific Northwest.
When I lived in the small farm town, we rarely locked our doors, left our garage open all night long, and all that changed when I moved to the Urban environments.
That stock on that shotgun there looks akin to the stocks my uncle used to build for the annual NRA auctioned giveaway rifle.
I've seen some fine figured walnut, myrtlewood, and maple on a variety of rifle stocks, some very recently in the Cabela's Gun Library.
Good wood. Would make some fine necks.
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I used to have a Remington 870 Wingmaster that had a pretty fancy Walnut stock. Beautiful gun. Used so shoot trap and sporting clays so much that even though shotshells are relatively inexpensive, I had to invest in a reloader.
Always wanted to get an over/under like that Browning, but couldn't quite get behind the cost. Besides, only two shots? And heavy? Pissed me off I could only get 5 out of the 870 without installing an extension. Always wanted to write to somebody in Hollywood and ask where they bought those fancy rifles, shotguns and pistols they use in the TV shows and movies that have the magic inexhaustible magazines.
Always wanted to get an over/under like that Browning, but couldn't quite get behind the cost. Besides, only two shots? And heavy? Pissed me off I could only get 5 out of the 870 without installing an extension. Always wanted to write to somebody in Hollywood and ask where they bought those fancy rifles, shotguns and pistols they use in the TV shows and movies that have the magic inexhaustible magazines.
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My 8mm Yugoslavian Mauser in 5A Birdseye Maple.
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Cagey said:
It's an open sighted tack hammer at 200 yrds, which is why, despite me having installed scope mounts on it 27 yrs ago, I never actually mounted any. It's light, knocks down my non GMO, non steroidal, open range meat all day long with an ethical one shot drop.
If it's not broke, no sense in fixing.
