Blue Strat replica (Weezer content)

booneh

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Yeah, definitely. You can hear a bit of the RATM influence in The Answer Man for example.

You’re right. I just measured an original 90s model and one coil (not sure which) is slightly higher DC resistance.

5.69k series
2.47k split

Which would suggest the other coil is around 3.22k. Dimarzio’s spec lists 5.82k wired for full output.

Having said all of that, I have a guitar with some of the 80s Super 2s (the ones encased in plastic) and they sound quite different from the new ones. Not sure if it’s age, but the DC resistance is around the same.

The red one has definitely been more of a challenge to figure out. I think the main mystery with the blue one is the wiring - it sounds like it might have had a different wiring setup initially, but was simplified for the dual volumes not long after. If that’s the case, the question is whether it’s a master volume and neck volume, or if they’re independent. And thanks for that.

That’s possible. I recall there was also a newer black LP Standard of some kind, but I’ve never seen it mentioned anywhere. Based on what Chris Shaw said, there was definitely more equipment used than what they brought in from their live setup.

Also, I discovered the original Wilkinson nut is 42mm, while the currently available LSR is 43mm. If the original guitar had the Wilkinson, it’s possible that the nut width was 41mm, given that the nut still appeared to be too wide.

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I'll be using the LSR as I spec'd the neck out for 43mm. I prefer the design though, since the Wilkinson has to be glued on, while the LSR uses screws.
I was only curious because the output is a big component of that “Only In Dreams” sound. It makes sense that it’d be according to the diagram. I’m assuming that’d be the top coil, which I think is the higher output one.

Magnets do degauss over time, but I think ceramic magnets last a long time. It could have been changes in parts in the pickups.

I think the wiring probably isn’t a huge deal, although it would be cool to see under the pickguard to get it exact. If it did have a Black Ice or some other exotic tone control, it wouldn’t be hard to replicate with your amp or a Super Distortion. If it’s some kind of unique volume layout, ones mileage would definitely vary there.

I heard there was a Les Paul Jr. that probably wasn’t used, the Les Paul Special, the Jaguar, another Telecaster (or Rivers used Jason’s before he was fired), and Chris Shaw’s 1981 Strat. I’m sure there were other guitars too but haven’t heard anything definitive. There was the Mesa and the SL-X, and a possible other Marshall, and a blackface Twin for cleans. There was an Ampeg VT-22 set up in the studio, but I don’t know if it ever got used. Jason had a “black and gold” Marshall Silver Jubilee.

Interesting. I wouldn’t think that the nut width was that narrow. Maybe going for a Gibson feel? I wonder if that’s the same for the rest of his Strats. It’s a shame that the Wilkinson won’t fit but at least you’ll have the string guide.

Oddly enough, I just recently got followed on Instagram by a French guitar strap company called Tom’s Vintage Straps that makes an (almost) replica of the Ace strap. I can DM you a link if you want to check it out. It’s like €40, so I don’t know if it’s a deal exactly with shipping included, but it is a lot more well constructed than an original.

EDIT: I found an American company called Souldier that also makes a strap with the same pattern. The pattern is called Monterey.
 
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kerouac

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I was only curious because the output is a big component of that “Only In Dreams” sound. It makes sense that it’d be according to the diagram. I’m assuming that’d be the top coil, which I think is the higher output one.

Magnets do degauss over time, but I think ceramic magnets last a long time. It could have been changes in parts in the pickups.

I think the wiring probably isn’t a huge deal, although it would be cool to see under the pickguard to get it exact. If it did have a Black Ice or some other exotic tone control, it wouldn’t be hard to replicate with your amp or a Super Distortion. If it’s some kind of unique volume layout, ones mileage would definitely vary there.

I heard there was a Les Paul Jr. that probably wasn’t used, the Les Paul Special, the Jaguar, another Telecaster (or Rivers used Jason’s before he was fired), and Chris Shaw’s 1981 Strat. I’m sure there were other guitars too but haven’t heard anything definitive. There was the Mesa and the SL-X, and a possible other Marshall, and a blackface Twin for cleans. There was an Ampeg VT-22 set up in the studio, but I don’t know if it ever got used. Jason had a “black and gold” Marshall Silver Jubilee.

Interesting. I wouldn’t think that the nut width was that narrow. Maybe going for a Gibson feel? I wonder if that’s the same for the rest of his Strats. It’s a shame that the Wilkinson won’t fit but at least you’ll have the string guide.

Oddly enough, I just recently got followed on Instagram by a French guitar strap company called Tom’s Vintage Straps that makes an (almost) replica of the Ace strap. I can DM you a link if you want to check it out. It’s like €40, so I don’t know if it’s a deal exactly with shipping included, but it is a lot more well constructed than an original.

EDIT: I found an American company called Souldier that also makes a strap with the same pattern. The pattern is called Monterey.

Yeah that makes sense. I've had a few of the old Super 2s and they all sound very similar, but not like the current ones. I'm guessing it changed when they started using the standard humbucker housing (late 80s?)

Definitely. I was watching the Bizarre 96 video recently and as far as I can tell, they're independent. You can also hear him switch between the pickups and there's quite a difference in low end. I've found that to be the case with the TB-59 and Super 2.

Yep that matches what I've heard. There was also a Marshall combo of some kind, but I doubt it was being used. Also, would you happen to have the info on where Chris Shaw mentioned the EHX Graphic Fuzz? I can't remember whether it was for guitar or bass.

I was surprised, considering it was supposedly meant to be a thicker neck. Possible that it's not the matching Wilkinson, but something else. The LSR version still fits the neck I got, so not a problem.

Sure, I'd be interested. I got one of the Ace straps, but it's starting to fall apart.

As for the replica, I'm hoping to have it finished this week - will post some pictures and maybe a sound clip.
 

booneh

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Yeah that makes sense. I've had a few of the old Super 2s and they all sound very similar, but not like the current ones. I'm guessing it changed when they started using the standard humbucker housing (late 80s?)

Definitely. I was watching the Bizarre 96 video recently and as far as I can tell, they're independent. You can also hear him switch between the pickups and there's quite a difference in low end. I've found that to be the case with the TB-59 and Super 2.

Yep that matches what I've heard. There was also a Marshall combo of some kind, but I doubt it was being used. Also, would you happen to have the info on where Chris Shaw mentioned the EHX Graphic Fuzz? I can't remember whether it was for guitar or bass.

I was surprised, considering it was supposedly meant to be a thicker neck. Possible that it's not the matching Wilkinson, but something else. The LSR version still fits the neck I got, so not a problem.

Sure, I'd be interested. I got one of the Ace straps, but it's starting to fall apart.

As for the replica, I'm hoping to have it finished this week - will post some pictures and maybe a sound clip.
I know that the metal parts in pickups can have a filtering effect, so I imagine that using a different baseplate or pole pieces could subtly change the EQ curve of a pickup.

It’s a lot more obvious now, but I kind of always assumed he was just using his bridge pickup all the time, but he’s constantly switching around even on newer songs. Rivers is very good at playing his electronics, not just the guitar. It’s hard to tell if it’s all instinctual for him or if he’s being secretive about it.

I could probably find the post, but I remember it pretty well. The Graphic Fuzz was used for the bass “solo” part of “In The Garage.” It was inserted into the channel on the mixer, which Chris Shaw said was the only way that pedal sounds good. I don’t think he mentioned whether it was through the mic on the B-15 or through the DI, or if they were mixed down.

Yeah, but I think the Squier Contemporaries might have had pretty thin necks, like an Ibanez. So even a standard neck would be thicker. I do know they were the vintage Fender width. Just when you think you’re getting things figured out, there’s another mystery. At least you still had the LSR as an option.

I’m not sure how the forum is about advertising products so I’ll PM you, but either strap option is a good choice, but neither of them are perfect reproductions.
 
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