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22th of July 2011 - The day that changed Norway as we knew it.

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Max said:
It was in an earlier version, near the middle.
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Aaah I see, later edited to reflect the current assessment.  :icon_thumright:

Bagman67 said:
IT may have been in an earlier edition of it: it now reads, on the second page:

As usual, the tragic circumstances of such events gives rise to conflicting and often erroneous reports, and even respectable news agencies often get it wrong in the early stages.
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And as usual, there's a million crackpots probably ringing up claiming responsibility, and journos slowing up the assessment, investigative & immediate responsiveness of the counter terrorist authorities with requests for interviews and general editorial opinions based upon prior assumption more than fact. For every half assed opinion that is offered up in the media, there's dozens of answers the authorities will have to brief their political masters about, then have to rebuke or address, and that slows down the crucial first 48 hours of getting the offenders identified and action taken.

Meanwhile, this Thread goes to the dogs because someone didn't heed their own gut feelings and ran with the quote from a news service (from a group that the Chairman admits he doesn't control and has been in the news itself for all the wrong reasons) and in the process delivered a bitch slap against people who may or may not be responsible. How appropriate is that?

I feel that the emphasis should be on the efforts being made by the Norwegian authorities to stabilise this situation and the efforts of the emergency services to assist those injured.... let the investigators find out who did it first before laying down the rebukes and dislikes.
 
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3710902/UP-to-20-feared-killed-in-Norway-in-gun-and-bomb-attacks-by-crazed-hunting-fan.html

There you go.
I've read the article, and the facts are legit - and is the exact information that norwegian news channels and police has revealed.
 
Death By Diezel said:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3710902/UP-to-20-feared-killed-in-Norway-in-gun-and-bomb-attacks-by-crazed-hunting-fan.html

There you go.
I've read the article, and the facts are legit - and is the exact information that norwegian news channels and police has revealed.
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Good grief those images are gruesome, Andreas. I was also wondering, mate, if you maybe got a phone call for a possible recall to the Army, if you went on high alert? In the early stages they might not have known who or what was responsible or whether there was going to be further attacks, so maybe that sort of activation might have been considered?

I can imagine if someone was posing as a cop, beckoning people to come to him for 'safety', then cutting them down when they got within range. Pretty obscene way to hunt down innocents eh?
 
Mr. L said:
That'll learn me to quote the NY Times.   :icon_scratch:
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The NY Times quote was just bad journalism, a rush to pin blame before the facts were known.  The inflammatory language following the quote is disappointing.

Although this is a shocking crime that bothers us all, we really need solidarity with one another to solve the world's problems, not words of hate and bigotry.  On all sides.

My heart goes out to the good people of Norway in their time of crisis.  Living in Connecticut during 9/11, I knew people who died in that tragedy.  Nothing takes away the hurt, but time does mellow the wounds.  I wish everyone involved the courage and strength to get through this terrible incident so that you may emerge stronger and wiser from your experiences.  Peace, bothers and sisters.
 
Nightclub Dwight said:
Mr. L said:
That'll learn me to quote the NY Times.   :icon_scratch:
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The inflammatory language following the quote is disappointing.
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Without going into microscopic detail:

I fully stand behind my statements; for the record.  But I'm also well-versed in the subject matter and history thereof.

"Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." - Thomas Mann
 
Andreas, what is the latest direct from Norway....All I'm seeing is one gunman dressed up as a cop being arrested for the Island killings and attack, but are they also linking him (and perhaps others?) with the Oslo city bombing?  :dontknow:
 
When I went to bed, the confirmed death toll was 4 in Oslo, 9 on Utöya. When I woke up it was 84 on Utöya. One guy has been arrested, apparently for both attacks. The stories from the island are horrifying.

I offer my friends and neighbours in Norway my sincerest condolences, our thoughts are with you.


By the way -
If the guy is who he is reported to be, it only strengthens the statistics that show that right wing extremists, islamophobes and separatists currrently are a much larger threat to the lives and security of the people in Europe than some fundamentalist in Afghanistan. Just ask Europol.
- but that is a different discussion, on a different forum. It's worth pointing out here sometimes though.
 
I hope he was solely responsible for both, that would clear up the waters a lot, but mayby not completely.
 
Max said:
I hope he was solely responsible for both, that would clear up the waters a lot, but mayby not completely.
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If this person is a 'professional' he is not about to talk about who helped him either. Further investigation into this person's background will be a priority now to establish if he has the skill capable of committing all this horror or whether he might be tied up with other persons or an organisation. If not for anything else but to establish whether to expect more attacks or if this is a one off.

The toll from the island is probably so high, as he is alleged to have worn a Police uniform and called people over to him under the guise of establishing bona fides - then killed them. I mean, if all hell is breaking loose, who would you run to? As someone who used to wear such a uniform I can't describe how despicable I find that act alone...  :sad:
 
Update:

They have found at least 84 dead teenagers / kids on the island Utøya. Still searching for more, both on the island and in the fjord surrounding the island.

He is charged for both attacks.
He bought 6 tonns of bomb ingredients.

The people that survived the attack on the island claim that there were TWO gunmen.


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This soldier is from the same battalion as I was in. His Majesty The King's Guard.

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The picture in the picture is the released picture of the gunman.
 
OH Yeah another very very sad day in history  :sad:

I gotta say thou .... in that 4th pic ... it looks like, they are all having a piss at the same time.

When will humanity finally come to it's cense's  :icon_scratch:

Sad indeed .....
 
BBC and CNN has more information about the case than norwegian media.
The police just held a press conferanse. They couldn't answer anything...
Typical norwegian naive politicians, journalists and police.
 
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