Wilkinson/Gotoh VSVG

[Bruno]

What do you think of this tremolo bridge?

I have a curiosity: the tremolo arm must be screwed or inserted like Gotoh Floyd Rose 1996 tremolo ?

Thank you

 

[Watershed]

I have one.
It's a great trem, big fan.
The arm does not screw in.
You just push it in, but it holds nice and snug.

James

 

[Bruno]

The arm does not screw in.
You just push it in, but it holds nice and snug.

Great!

 

[Bruno]

Classic look & modern core  :icon_thumright:
Great tremolo, i've not now, but for my next guitar... arty07:

 

[VanSTRATten]

Here's a video of my Warmoth Strat with a Wilkinson VSVG trem, Sperzel locking tuners and Graphtec nut. I love it! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq61zpUKQWo

 

[Bruno]

O_O

Great sound and player ( :rock-on and impressive tuning stability .
Truly monstrous.

I think that the VSVG's better than (mine) Schaller FR...
:icon_thumright:

 

[VanSTRATten]

O_O

Great sound and player ( :rock-on and impressive tuning stability .
Truly monstrous.

I think that the VSVG's better than (mine) Schaller FR...
:icon_thumright:

Thanks!! I know that I'll never go back to a Floyd Rose style trem.

 

[Cagey]

Thanks!! I know that I'll never go back to a Floyd Rose style trem.

To be fair, for a long time the Floyd Rose was the only thing that worked reliably. It was that or nothing if you were interested in wanking the hell out of your strings and staying in tune. The Kahler was in there somewhere, but we won't talk about that.

It wasn't until the late '80s, early '90s that Trevor Wilkinson finally said "Are you kidding me?" and came out with his vibrato system. Much simpler and less expensive but just as effective as the Floyd, it quickly took over the market. Now there's little reason to use the Floyd unless you have too much money laying around, don't mind fighting with setup, tuning, string changes, etc., and aren't bothered by having a mountain of heavy machinery where a bridge should go. They do look cool, though. Gotta give 'em that.

 

[Steve_Karl]

Thanks!! I know that I'll never go back to a Floyd Rose style trem.

To be fair, for a long time the Floyd Rose was the only thing that worked reliably. It was that or nothing if you were interested in wanking the hell out of your strings and staying in tune. The Kahler was in there somewhere, but we won't talk about that.

I had 1 Floyd (sold) and still have 1 Kahler flat mount. The Kahler was more wankable than the floyd.

The problem I have with the Kahler is the massive loss of sustain and tone. Is that why we won't talk about it?

 

[Cagey]

I shouldn't have singled it out like that. It has its own set of problems, but I don't know that it was any worse than the Floyd. Although, I don't know what they were thinking about with that cam business. They had to know that was going to be a sticking point that would cause inconsistent returns to neutral.

 

[VanSTRATten]

I've had a few locking trem equipped guitars through the years. A few Ibanez', one of which had the original Edge trem and a Schecter with a licensed Floyd. I know it's not the same as an original Floyd but the concept is the same. I had more problems keeping those in tune than I do with the VSVG. I also put a VS100 on an Ibanez RT 450 that worked great as well.

 

[Bruno]

In an elementary way  :icon_scratch: someone explains to me because a lot of people speak very well of VSVG and instead many are not excited (including myself) of traditional 6-screw tremolo?
For me the MINUS of vintage 6 holes are... the 6 screws. For me, it is impossible to have the same friction that occurs with 2 pivots and blades. How do you get back in perfect pitch the VSVG with 6 screws?
What is the different with a gotoh 101?

I really want to understand, because if I find the VS100 aesthetically ugly, I love look of VSVG, so....

Thanks

 

[Cagey]

If you must have a 6 point, I'm sure that the VSVG part is a good one, and forget about binding. I doubt that happens unless it's grossly misadjusted. But, there's just no way it has the same degree of friction as a 2 point knife edge fulcrum. It's going to be more, which means a less reliable return to neutral. It's probably fine when it's new, clean, and lubricated. But, a month down the road? Gimme the 2 point.

 

[Bruno]

You are not alone in saying that the VSVG is fantastic.
But I still don't understand what it really better that a traditional 6holes in terms of return to the pitch.
Sesign of the saddles? Best quality springs? 5 oval holes?

I say this without offending anyone, but I would not like it was all a *placebo* effect...

 

[Bruno]

But, there's just no way it has the same degree of friction as a 2 point knife edge fulcrum. It's going to be more, which means a less reliable return to neutral

Exactly what I think.
Nevertheless, there is a lot of people that tell me "VSVG is the best no-locking tremolo. The BEST"
:icon_scratch:

 

[Cagey]

But, there's just no way it has the same degree of friction as a 2 point knife edge fulcrum. It's going to be more, which means a less reliable return to neutral

Exactly what I think.
Nevertheless, there is a lot of people that tell me "VSVG is the best no-locking tremolo. The BEST"
:icon_scratch:

A lot of people say a lot of things, and their number doesn't matter. If 50 million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing. You can't vote on facts to confer validity. Simply put, there are certain realities to physics that cannot be denied no matter how hard you wish, hope, pray, try, wager, believe, etc.

 

[Cagey]

It's probably fine when it's new, clean, and lubricated. But, a month down the road? Gimme the 2 point.

Probably ... as in ... you never really tried it ... so your just making assumptions ... again.

No, probably ... as in ... if it was set up right. I've played my share of the miserable things, and have known many others who have as well. I know one guy who smashed a perfectly good Strat over the damnable thing. Wouldn't tune, then when it finally did, it wouldn't last more than a minute. That's why we don't use them. We all learned.

 

[Bruno]

Cagey... also think that all those who say the opposite of what we think are wrong... I don't like it  :dontknow:
Users feedback are important
Necessary but not sufficient, of course
In the final, who decides it's me. Neither you or others. But it's just me.
And I will be responsible for my success or failure, of course  :glasses9:

In any case, out of controversy, I'm waiting for who technically and unquestionably, if you can, expalin me because the VSVG work so well compared to a 6-holes tremolo.

 

[Disco Scottie]

I have a VSVG on my Suhr. It's great!

 

[Bruno]

Return in pitch is perfect?
What gauge and how many springs you use?
Thanks