vintage style tremolo and LSR nut?

[johnny35]

Okay so here's my question for today, my American Deluxe strat has a 2 point pivot tremolo with an LSR nut. Can I build a guitar with a 6 hole vintage tremolo with an LSR nut with 25.5 inch scale okay? Just wondered about intonation and stuff thanks!

 

[stratamania]

Other than it being a perhaps unusual combination there's no reason that I am aware of that would prevent them being used together.

 

[Neo Fender]

The LSR has the same pros and cons with a 6 point trem as it would with a 2 point.

 

[Wizard of Wailing]

      I've got a 6 point (SuperVee Bladerunner) trem and LSR nut on my 25.5 strat. I've got no complaints.

 

[Cagey]

Okay so here's my question for today, my American Deluxe strat has a 2 point pivot tremolo with an LSR nut. Can I build a guitar with a 6 hole vintage tremolo with an LSR nut with 25.5 inch scale okay? Just wondered about intonation and stuff thanks!

Absolutely. Intonation and so forth will be fine. But, if you're going to build something new, why not avoid the mistakes of the past? The 6 point vibrato bridge is a bad design. Always has been and always will be for mechanically provable and experiential reasons. If you're trying to impress somebody, show 'em that you know better. The two-point knife-edge fulcrum is a vastly superior design. Of course, it's not what Jimi Hendrix used, but he didn't have any choice. If her were alive today, he'd say "Don't be a fool, y'idiot!"

You combine an LSR nut, locking tuners and a two-point trem, and you've got something you can wank and crank on all night. That's a good setup, and unlike the Floyd Rose nightmare, you don't need carry around a mechanic's tool chest to keep the thing in line or change strings.

 

[DangerousR6]

Okay so here's my question for today, my American Deluxe strat has a 2 point pivot tremolo with an LSR nut. Can I build a guitar with a 6 hole vintage tremolo with an LSR nut with 25.5 inch scale okay? Just wondered about intonation and stuff thanks!

Absolutely. Intonation and so forth will be fine. But, if you're going to build something new, why not avoid the mistakes of the past? The 6 point vibrato bridge is a bad design. Always has been and always will be for mechanically provable and experiential reasons. If you're trying to impress somebody, show 'em that you know better. The two-point knife-edge fulcrum is a vastly superior design. Of course, it's not what Jimi Hendrix used, but he didn't have any choice. If her were alive today, he'd say "Don't be a fool, y'idiot!"

You combine an LSR nut, locking tuners and a two-point trem, and you've got something you can wank and crank on all night. That's a good setup, and unlike the Floyd Rose nightmare, you don't need carry around a mechanic's tool chest to keep the thing in line or change strings.

Hey, hey, hey, don't be bagging on Floyds... :toothy12:

 

[Cagey]

Hey, hey, hey, don't be bagging on Floyds... :toothy12:

Well, I hate to bang on them for the same reason I'd hate to bang on a '70 Challenger. But, the simple fact of the matter is, it's a design that's well past its prime. It's a very sexy and high-performance part, but there's much better stuff available now. It's a 35+ year old design, and improvements have been made since then.

 

[DangerousR6]

Hey, hey, hey, don't be bagging on Floyds... :toothy12:

Well, I hate to bang on them for the same reason I'd hate to bang on a '70 Challenger. But, the simple fact of the matter is, it's a design that's well past its prime. It's a very sexy and high-performance part, but there's much better stuff available now. It's a 35+ year old design, and improvements have been made since then.

The strat and the tele are both over 50 yrs old, so what's the difference. Floyd has made improvements, the Fastloader doesn't need to snip string ball ends. Not anymore complicated than any other trem, I've had them all, and if set up properly as any trem, one is really no greater than another... :icon_biggrin:

 

[mark1178]

I bet Cageys nightmares consist of a Floyd Rose hovering over him saying "I'm the only bridge left in the world" like that creepy puppet from the progressive commercials.

 

[johnny35]

Okay so here's my question for today, my American Deluxe strat has a 2 point pivot tremolo with an LSR nut. Can I build a guitar with a 6 hole vintage tremolo with an LSR nut with 25.5 inch scale okay? Just wondered about intonation and stuff thanks!

Absolutely. Intonation and so forth will be fine. But, if you're going to build something new, why not avoid the mistakes of the past? The 6 point vibrato bridge is a bad design. Always has been and always will be for mechanically provable and experiential reasons. If you're trying to impress somebody, show 'em that you know better. The two-point knife-edge fulcrum is a vastly superior design. Of course, it's not what Jimi Hendrix used, but he didn't have any choice. If her were alive today, he'd say "Don't be a fool, y'idiot!"

You combine an LSR nut, locking tuners and a two-point trem, and you've got something you can wank and crank on all night. That's a good setup, and unlike the Floyd Rose nightmare, you don't need carry around a mechanic's tool chest to keep the thing in line or change strings.

Thanks Cagey I've owned numerous guitars over the years with different tremolo systems. I had an Ibanez RG when I was in my twenties, loved that guitar overall. Shoved a wooden block into the back of the tremolo cos I was so sick of all the adjustment required to it. I see Fender have released a new Dave Murray signature guitar at NAMM 2015, I love Iron Maiden! Great pickups on it etc but the only thing preventing me buying that guitar is that shitty Floyd trem. 

 

[DangerousR6]

I bet Cageys nightmares consist of a Floyd Rose hovering over him saying "I'm the only bridge left in the world" like that creepy puppet from the progressive commercials.

:laughing11:

 

[Cagey]

I bet Cageys nightmares consist of a Floyd Rose hovering over him saying "I'm the only bridge left in the world" like that creepy puppet from the progressive commercials.

Hehe! No, I don't have nightmares about them. I install and set them up all the time. I just don't think they're the best solution available for those who want vibrato capabilities.

I have had some weird nightmares, though, and not necessarily at night. Some of the drugs they'll feed you in the hospital are magical  :icon_biggrin:

 

[DangerousR6]

I bet Cageys nightmares consist of a Floyd Rose hovering over him saying "I'm the only bridge left in the world" like that creepy puppet from the progressive commercials.

Hehe! No, I don't have nightmares about them. I install and set them up all the time. I just don't think they're the best solution available for those who want vibrato capabilities.

I have had some weird nightmares, though, and not necessarily at night. Some of the drugs they'll feed you in the hospital are magical  :icon_biggrin:

The Floyd is coming to get you Cagey... :evil4:

 

[Cagey]

The Floyd is coming to get you Cagey... :evil4:

Phbbt. Happens roughly once a month. I'm not afraid.

 

[Strat Avenger]

I hate "tremolos" (which are not really tremolos at all...Leo Fender just incorrectly named his vibrato bridge that). I never used the ones that I have, and since I'm not Hendrix, EVH, Vai, or Satriani, there's no point in having one.

A listen to Jake E. Lee or Paul Gilbert proves how needless they are, and everything that can be done with them has already been done...and Done...and DONE.

I love my new Warmoth "hardtail" Strat (and it has locking tuners). The guitar should be played with the fingers, not a damned wang-bar.
arty07:

 

[DangerousR6]

I hate "tremolos" (which are not really tremolos at all...Leo Fender just incorrectly named his vibrato bridge that). I never used the ones that I have, and since I'm not Hendrix, EVH, Vai, or Satriani, there's no point in having one.

A listen to Jake E. Lee or Paul Gilbert proves how needless they are, and everything that can be done with them has already been done...and Done...and DONE.

I love my new Warmoth "hardtail" Strat (and it has locking tuners). The guitar should be played with the fingers, not a damned wang-bar.
arty07:

I beg to differ, not everything that can be done has been. You or I or whomever just hasn't done it yet...

 

[line6man]

Absolutely. Intonation and so forth will be fine. But, if you're going to build something new, why not avoid the mistakes of the past? The 6 point vibrato bridge is a bad design. Always has been and always will be for mechanically provable and experiential reasons. If you're trying to impress somebody, show 'em that you know better. The two-point knife-edge fulcrum is a vastly superior design. Of course, it's not what Jimi Hendrix used, but he didn't have any choice. If her were alive today, he'd say "Don't be a fool, y'idiot!"

This is absolute truth! Unfortunately, traditionalism is one of those things that people get religious about. "A different bridge than Leo Fender used at the beginning of time!? Heresy!" :doh:

Floyds, on the other hand, are still great. Yes, there are good tremolo/vibrato bridges out there today, but there is nothing really wrong with the Floyd.

 

[SustainerPlayer]

...  and everything that can be done with them has already been done...and Done...and DONE.

Unlike stuff on a hardtail - that's a whole new unexplored territory  :icon_jokercolor:

 

[Cagey]

Hehe! Yeah, those pesky hardtails can be tough to work with.

 

[Kostas]

....A listen to Jake E. Lee or Paul Gilbert proves how needless they are, and everything that can be done with them has already been done...and Done...and DONE...

:doh: