Disco Scottie
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Been a customer of theirs for well over a decade, but still using an old Moto v710. Might be time to finally step into the 21st century...
Verizon gets the iPhone
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Tbh, iPhone was out of date when it was first released. 5MP Camera, no Flash support, unjustifiable price, and the sheer arrogance of Apple to deny the various design problems for weeks.
The iPhone is a style thing, a brand icon. I totally get why people want one, but I'm not into that sort of thing. That's why I got an HTC Desire HD, now there is a phone to wow the geeks :icon_biggrin:
The iPhone is a style thing, a brand icon. I totally get why people want one, but I'm not into that sort of thing. That's why I got an HTC Desire HD, now there is a phone to wow the geeks :icon_biggrin:
Panthur said:
thats a rediculous statment, on the subject of the "only 5mp camera" if you compare pics and vids from an iphone to and evo or incredable you can clearly see that the quality is much greater on the lower resolution iphone camera. many of these phones use the same sensors and it's all in the firmware that controls what modes it is capable of. the earlier 8mp phones where useless and all about advertising. desire hd is great though as far as i have heard but i havent acctually come across one. not knocking that phone.
iphone has some apple proprietary media stuff that has become a standard. most video streaming sites cater to the apple standard, sometimes even blocking flash capable devises if the user agent setting is for mobile making it annoying to view flash on the website because you need to use hidden menus to change user agent and then you are viewing a full website on a 3.x in screen, it is all about licensing for some reason if it is a phone it is classified as a mobile device and not a general computing device. in america it's a different license to broadcast to mobile apparently. flash is over rated anyway it uses alot of resources and some of the cpus out there dont handle it very well.
the price however is unjustifiable.
the droid x/2 phones are amazing at taking pictures and movies but i hate how motorolas are more difficult to hack and the fact that they are but ugly. i have a captivate and despite the bad reputation i feel that the galaxy s series are the best phone out there. but it is hard to justify that, it is just my preference.
now we have android devices that far exceed anything usefull. have you seen the motorola atrix? dual core chip and nvidea graphics. i dont know the full specs but it is beyond what the current software can take advantage of, infact the newwer htcs like the g2 and mt4g and samsung galaxy s are beyond what software can take advantage of in graphics. the galaxy s having a graphics chip that can run opengl like some cheaper laptops and the htcs arent far off, even the droid x/2 is considdered a power gpu but only runs about 50% the frame rates of the other phones. today the iphone4 gsm version is a showing its age, but 6 months ago it was with the popular alternatives and better in some ways, the retina display for one. it's slim package for another and the appearance of a high quality package with scratch resistant glass on both sides (that breaks if you put a case on your phone do to dirt getting trapped and scratching the edges, oops!) but at the time the competition was using soft plastics and/or thin slip cover type battery doors with built in antennas that can loose contact if you remove them too often. also the list of phones with 2 cameras was a short one at the time.
i wonder if the cdma version will have some enhancements like better cameras or lte 4g or a better graphics chip like the newer htcs and the galaxy s. or maybe they will have the ability to facetime over 3g/lte. i really hope it is not the same as the iphone4 gsm. that would be disapointing. with the number of known issues it has and the fact that it would be behind the times already.
it may be difficult to facetime over verizon 3g but then again the resolution is only vga.
atts 3g with hspa is fast if you are in an hspa area but i think apple has had att restricting the features as to not use too much bandwidth. they used to make apple pull apps from the market that used alot of data despite the unlimited plan available at that time. now that makes att look like the bad guy but the fact is that att does not throttle data and was the first with data plans for phones that were affordable though they are one of the more expensive now.
on sprint with unlimited with no disclaimer stating that they may charge you if you go over 5gb like att had what you will see is the more data you use the slowwer the internet runs! they also charge for tethering, i think verizon plays the same games and also loads there phones with actual ad-ware! i have setup verizon phones for people and played with them in the store and it is quite annoying when you sync to your computer and the phone hyjacks the web browser opening it in your face when you obviously are trying to accomplish something and taking you to verizon owned websites to download v-cast music.
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I have long ago given up trying to convince the booing crowd that iPhones are worth it with long lists of facts. Some people just hate Apple/iPhones/Zunes/Gibsons what have you, and nothing you can say will change their mind.
That being said, I still do try and convince people sometimes, but via different persuasive method: Go into the Apple store and spend an hour fiddling with the new iPhone and tell me it isn't one of (if not THE) most beautifully engineered phones out there. Go ahead, just try. And cut the prejudice BS section out of your brain before you go in, and just enjoy the metal body, retina display, yadda yadda yadda . . . . It's a cool phone, and an expensive one.
(BTW, the price for an old iPhone, the "bar of soap" ones is now only $50. That's pretty reasonable if you ask me, and it does most of the same stuff.)
That being said, I still do try and convince people sometimes, but via different persuasive method: Go into the Apple store and spend an hour fiddling with the new iPhone and tell me it isn't one of (if not THE) most beautifully engineered phones out there. Go ahead, just try. And cut the prejudice BS section out of your brain before you go in, and just enjoy the metal body, retina display, yadda yadda yadda . . . . It's a cool phone, and an expensive one.
(BTW, the price for an old iPhone, the "bar of soap" ones is now only $50. That's pretty reasonable if you ask me, and it does most of the same stuff.)
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The only differences between the AT&T and VZW iPhones:
1.) CDMA instead of GSM radios
2.) Antenna design
3.) VZW is allowing HotSpot feature
The CPU in the iPhone is manufactured by Samsung and is almost identical to the one used in the Galaxy S class of handsets.
All OEMs will be launching dual-core ARM CPUs with even more enhanced Open GL/ES graphics capabilities for higher tier Android 2011 handsets.
1.) CDMA instead of GSM radios
2.) Antenna design
3.) VZW is allowing HotSpot feature
The CPU in the iPhone is manufactured by Samsung and is almost identical to the one used in the Galaxy S class of handsets.
All OEMs will be launching dual-core ARM CPUs with even more enhanced Open GL/ES graphics capabilities for higher tier Android 2011 handsets.
B3Guy said:
^ to each there own. the iphone is a nice piece of equipment and dare i say it has some advantages over android but only because of proprietary technologies that have become mainstreem and 3rd party app developers that havent warmed up to android yet.
the thing i cant stand about the iphone is the ui! it may be pretty but having standard controls on the phone is a big advantage of phones with more than one button. putting the controls on the screen means no consistantcy do to each developer putting controls where they like, it makes it less intuitive to me. im always looking all over the screen to find the link i want. i have the same complaint about the old macs with one mouse button. the right click context menus on windows and x in linux are convienient why get rid of them? apple tries to be too clever and in the process makes navigation slower.
i also hate the paged homescreen rather than a scrolling one, wp7 got it right on that and the live tiles are a good compromise between widgets and normal icons, but in android the homescreen is not used for app as much, more for widgets which are awesome! the app drawer in android is the greatest invention in smart phone ui! why clutter everything with 200 icons in your face, how do you find what you need on an iphone? on android you can put what you use every day on the home screens as well as useful widgets and the occasional stuff is always in the app drawer, on some launchers the drawer is categorized and on others like the galaxy s it can go as an alphabetical list which i use most often.
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CDMA I've heard makes a big difference, but IDK where I heard it.
Regarding UI, I totally agree, it is limiting and or poorly laid out in many ways, and obviously very rigid. THat being said, I have faith in Apple that they will improve on that front in the future. The "app" based OS is trickling upwards, almost unnecessarily so (first the iPad used a modified phone/ipod OS, and now there is Ap Store for full sized computers). I can easily see the OSX-type OS features and style trickling back down thru the iPad for sure, and likely down to the phone. It is a slow process that everyone in the OS biz should be pretty focused on. As new technology emerges, new and better methods for User Interface arise, and the developers have to simultaneously be on top of the latest and greatest, while not moving beyond what the consumer is comfortable and familiar with.
Regarding UI, I totally agree, it is limiting and or poorly laid out in many ways, and obviously very rigid. THat being said, I have faith in Apple that they will improve on that front in the future. The "app" based OS is trickling upwards, almost unnecessarily so (first the iPad used a modified phone/ipod OS, and now there is Ap Store for full sized computers). I can easily see the OSX-type OS features and style trickling back down thru the iPad for sure, and likely down to the phone. It is a slow process that everyone in the OS biz should be pretty focused on. As new technology emerges, new and better methods for User Interface arise, and the developers have to simultaneously be on top of the latest and greatest, while not moving beyond what the consumer is comfortable and familiar with.
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I would never buy into an iPhone because of the cost, but there's no denying they raised the bar in cell phone technology. Now there are better units out there, but it's taken several years for everyone to catch up, and it's anybody's guess what features/functions will survive due to the cloud of lawsuits surrounding all of them. Everybody is suing everybody else over patent issues.
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VZN's network doesn't allow for voice transmission and data transmission at the same time on any of their phones...jackthehack said:
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I still rock a 20th century flip phone. At least the one I now have has a color display. :icon_thumright:
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"jack what is the infuse? single or dual core? the ad i saw is not specific. but that may be my next phone."
I can't comment on unreleased handset specs; it will obviously be one of the next-gen Galaxy S devices, draw your own conclusion...
"VZN's network doesn't allow for voice transmission and data transmission at the same time on any of their phones..."
While this is true of current CDMA technology for VZW/Sprint/other carriers, and specifically VZW iPhone, next-gen hybrid CDMA/LTE or pure LTE handsets will not have the sameAlimitation. As someone that prostitutes themself as a Sr. CDMA System Engineer for a day job, although GSM carriers and Apple pitch this as FUD, actual real life use cases that would involve this are really pretty minimal.
"CDMA I've heard makes a big difference, but IDK where I heard it."
It does and it doesn't. Cellular technology used or specific carrier can be superfluous to your everyday use of a handset. All carriers have "holes" in optimum coverage and/or spectrum bandwidth issues that are entirely dependent upon what locations you are in when you are typically using your phone. Never buy anything from anyone that doesn't supply a 30 day guarantee, as just because your buddy on the other side of town or somewhere else has great coverage for voice/data doesn't guarantee that you will where you live and work.
As to the lawsuits, it's pretty much just all a load of bullshit. I'm really sick of it as I get inquiries from corporate legal about something I worked on 10 years ago and have no documentation of any more, much less cogent recollection thereof. Basically it's all just a big game of chicken trying to force corporate entities to try to cross-license IP rather than litigate forever. In most all cases there is some other prior art that would relegate either parties claims groundless anyway.
I can't comment on unreleased handset specs; it will obviously be one of the next-gen Galaxy S devices, draw your own conclusion...
"VZN's network doesn't allow for voice transmission and data transmission at the same time on any of their phones..."
While this is true of current CDMA technology for VZW/Sprint/other carriers, and specifically VZW iPhone, next-gen hybrid CDMA/LTE or pure LTE handsets will not have the sameAlimitation. As someone that prostitutes themself as a Sr. CDMA System Engineer for a day job, although GSM carriers and Apple pitch this as FUD, actual real life use cases that would involve this are really pretty minimal.
"CDMA I've heard makes a big difference, but IDK where I heard it."
It does and it doesn't. Cellular technology used or specific carrier can be superfluous to your everyday use of a handset. All carriers have "holes" in optimum coverage and/or spectrum bandwidth issues that are entirely dependent upon what locations you are in when you are typically using your phone. Never buy anything from anyone that doesn't supply a 30 day guarantee, as just because your buddy on the other side of town or somewhere else has great coverage for voice/data doesn't guarantee that you will where you live and work.
As to the lawsuits, it's pretty much just all a load of bullshit. I'm really sick of it as I get inquiries from corporate legal about something I worked on 10 years ago and have no documentation of any more, much less cogent recollection thereof. Basically it's all just a big game of chicken trying to force corporate entities to try to cross-license IP rather than litigate forever. In most all cases there is some other prior art that would relegate either parties claims groundless anyway.
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jackthehack said:
I get the feeling that Xerox should've sued the daylights out of both Apple & Microsoft when they were both small companies starting out. From what I heard and can comprehend that was one company that did have a real right to sue........too late once Gates got the Windows format going and Apple had steamrollered in. :dontknow:
I have a HTC Touch Pro 2 presently, but that Samsung Galaxy has my interest for a next phone at this stage, tho by the time I get to want another phone it will probably be superceded by the phone you can't comment about now! :toothy11:
OzziePete said:
yes the phone that he cant comment on now is the infuse, im sure there will be a better austraillian/international counterpart under a different name. and there is likely more to follow in 2011 that he cant even speak the name of. i wonder if jack gets annoyed when i ask questions he cant answer?
from what i see on gizmodo it is repoted to have hspa+ which some advertise as 4g in america but is similar to the current 3g but much faster. att will have hspa+ as well as lte type 4g so they will have 2 4g networks, or so the rumors go. only time will tell.
the infuse is also reported to have a super amoled+ screen that's even easier to see in the daylight than the current super amoled. the screen will be HUGE! 4.5 inches and have greater resolution (but there is no numbers), it will have a camera flash this time which currently only the cdma galaxy s phones have, the camera will be 8mp with a 1.3mp forward facing camera. the cpu will be clocked at 1.2ghz. gizmodo reports it as single core but i was hoping that since the actual ad included in the article didn't specify that they might be mis-informed. it being a galaxy s i want to say it is single core but they may just be carrying that name over to whatever the latest and greatest devices are. i know the major smartphone companies all plan to release dual core in 2011 but im not sure if this is the introduction of that or the last single core flagship phone. dual core wont be needed for some time though so im not disapointed either way. im still no less curious.
Dan025 said:
Your misunderstading me. It's a combination of all of the factors I mention that make it fell so out of date. As you concur, it's the price that's the kicker. The fact that I would have to pay to upgrade to it was an instant turn off. It's good, but it's not that good. Apple's attitude towards negative feedback is also a big problem for me. I was a Nokia user for ages, but the N97 went out with some severe design flaws. The biggest was that the Micro USB connection (used to charge the phone and data) would wiggle loose from the PCB with relative ease. Nokia denied it was a problem and as a result wiped £4bn off their brand value. Would be a shame to see Apple do the same, it doesn' t matter how strong the brand is, you can't disrespect your customers.
