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I just found out that the FCC has banned a huge number of existing wireless transmitters, microphones, guitar rigs etc. Apparently the police need the frequencies all of a sudden.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/wirelessmicrophones/manufacturers.html

Effective June 12th, if you use a banned device the penalties are huge; yes, it's already after then. Here's the FAQ's:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/wirelessmicrophones/FAQs.html#faq2

There's no telling what the police used to do before they needed all these new frequencies, but anything bought before January 15th, 2010 may get you:
Operation of wireless microphones in violation of these rules may subject the user to substantial monetary forfeitures, in rem arrest action against the offending radio equipment and criminal sanctions, including imprisonment.
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It sounds to me like since they've spent hundred of billions on security, they figure they might as well jail and fine hippies since they can't find any real terrorists. And they ask you to report "interference" on your wireless device here:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/wirelessmicrophones/FAQs.html#faq12
If you have recently started to receive large amounts of interference, you are most likely causing interference to a public safety entity or wireless broadband provider. Any wireless microphone (or similar device) causing interference in the 700 MHz Band must cease operations immediately.
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And then if you report it, it means that YOU were interfering, and you're going to get fined, arrested, imprisoned, black helicopter'd... gee sure I'll report mine!  :hello2: Go USA! Fukkin' hippies....
 
This is old news, and has been in process for years, but it's not been widely reported since it doesn't affect the general public much. Or, at least not that they know. When their churches and bars and other places have to start spending all kinds of money replacing perfectly good gear, some bitching may come to the surface. Too late now, though. The FCC has sold and assigned the rights to those frequencies, and if you violate them the punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.

Thing is, the frequencies the wireless folks were using weren't theirs to use in the first place. They were in defined deadband space to insure separation between channels of major high-power broadcasters, to prevent interference. Technology is a lot better these days than when those bands were defined, so you don't need so much dead space. Radio frequencies can be held pretty damn tight now. But, that reality didn't change the rules as they were originally laid out. It just meant that you could get away with essentially "squatting" on frequencies that had already been assigned, but not really used. Now they're going to use them, so it's GET OFF MY LAWN!
 
The US wireless spectrum is documented here:  http://www.ntia.doc.gov/osmhome/allochrt.pdf

Interesting if somewhat confusing...
 
Cagey said:
This is old news, and has been in process for years, but it's not been widely reported since it doesn't affect the general public much. Or, at least not that they know. When their churches and bars and other places have to start spending all kinds of money replacing perfectly good gear, some bitching may come to the surface. Too late now, though. The FCC has sold and assigned the rights to those frequencies, and if you violate them the punishment doesn't fit the crime at all.

Thing is, the frequencies the wireless folks were using weren't theirs to use in the first place. They were in defined deadband space to insure separation between channels of major high-power broadcasters, to prevent interference. Technology is a lot better these days than when those bands were defined, so you don't need so much dead space. Radio frequencies can be held pretty damn tight now. But, that reality didn't change the rules as they were originally laid out. It just meant that you could get away with essentially "squatting" on frequencies that had already been assigned, but not really used. Now they're going to use them, so it's GET OFF MY LAWN!
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Yes, this is old news. When I was researching for a new wireless a couple years ago, I took it into account.
 
banning frequencies... almost like banning someone from breathing air at certain altitudes.
 
It was actually setup for specific purposes. The musical industry had no right to operate those frequencies. Anybody who bought or used the frequencies did it unlawfully. If anyone is to blame it is the manufacturers of the devices. I would even lay blame on the consumers for making uneducated decisions and then wanting to piss and moan and blame the government. The bands arfe used for public safety and such. Before police and emt's and firefighters and all the pther public service entities were on different bands and systems and frequencies and it was a cluster. Now they are trying to get on the same page. It is for our benefit. If you don't like it quit bitching after the fact and get involved in your government beforehand. Be proactive and not reactive. Or you can just move somewhere where there is 30 billion people and you get to live in a closet or a mud hut with a goat or a shack with three generations of your family or someplace where you'll have bad teeth and have to drive on the left side of the road and can't paint a guitar or someplace with good healthcare and great beer or whatever just shut up and bitchin about the government not everytrhing is a conspiracy and they do a hell of a lot more for you than they don't do for you. Do you realize how many branches of government are there helping people compared to the ones that screw people? And BTW cables sound better anyway!!!!!!! :laughing11:
 
And they clamored for big gov't, and lo, it was given unto them.

Ahhh... big gov't.

Welcome To The Machine.
 
From my experience nature takes care of your ability to breath at altitude. Fat mexicans and fourteeners don't mix. :sad1:
 
Superlizard said:
And they clamored for big gov't, and lo, it was given unto them.

Ahhh... big gov't.

Welcome To The Machine.
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I'm against our encroaching big government too but I don't see how things would work if there was no oversight of the wireless spectrum.  Electronic devices would be interfering with each other left and right.
 
CrackedPepper said:
Superlizard said:
And they clamored for big gov't, and lo, it was given unto them.

Ahhh... big gov't.

Welcome To The Machine.
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I'm against our encroaching big government too but I don't see how things would work if there was no oversight of the wireless spectrum.  Electronic devices would be interfering with each other left and right.
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Exactly so. Some things do need to be regulated, or at least overseen, or things get out of hand in a hurry. In the case of radio spectrum, if it weren't regulated, you'd have CB radios, police band, airlines, broadcast radio, TV, emergency vehicles, cell phones, cordless phones, microwaves, aircraft navigational systems, garage door openers, on and on ad infinitum interfering with one another. Then you'd hear some bitching. Many things wouldn't even exist, because it wouldn't be safe.
 
Hey I run into it daily.... 440-470mhz.  No more 25kc use after 12/31/2012

We're not ever fully implemented into 12.5kc and they're already talking 6.25kc bandwidth. 

It never ends with the FCC... first to make the rules... but also... they tend not to enforce them too much. 

Hence our systems are plagued with "burrito grande" orders and price checks from Target stores.  Seems TacoBell and Target move in with higher power equipment, walk on us, and even though we're licensed.... tata... sorry.  Bassarts...
 
pabloman said:
It was actually setup for specific purposes. The musical industry had no right to operate those frequencies. Anybody who bought or used the frequencies did it unlawfully. If anyone is to blame it is the manufacturers of the devices. I would even lay blame on the consumers for making uneducated decisions and then wanting to piss and moan and blame the government. The bands arfe used for public safety and such. Before police and emt's and firefighters and all the pther public service entities were on different bands and systems and frequencies and it was a cluster. Now they are trying to get on the same page. It is for our benefit. If you don't like it quit bitching after the fact and get involved in your government beforehand. Be proactive and not reactive. Or you can just move somewhere where there is 30 billion people and you get to live in a closet or a mud hut with a goat or a shack with three generations of your family or someplace where you'll have bad teeth and have to drive on the left side of the road and can't paint a guitar or someplace with good healthcare and great beer or whatever just shut up and bitchin about the government not everytrhing is a conspiracy and they do a hell of a lot more for you than they don't do for you. Do you realize how many branches of government are there helping people compared to the ones that screw people? And BTW cables sound better anyway!!!!!!! :laughing11:
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Please. You must work for the government or a family member does and provided you with one of the many no-show paid positions like the $80k per year tollbooth frauds wehave so many of here in Tax-a-chussetts . I beleive the ratio here is 1 actual functioning public employee to 20 non essential leeches. I know it is only reasonable to regulate band width but because of all the other interference from government  it just draws a negative reaction.
 
No I don't work for the government. The government works for me. :laughing3: But seriously nobody is taking bandwidth away from us. It was never ours in the first place. All I'm sayin about the government thing is do something about it or quit bitchin. If you are doing something about it more power to you. Good luck. I wish I could get one of them easy jobs. Nobody wants to be walked on by a bunch of fat cat out of touch overpaid beureacrats but that's not whats happening in this situation. Keep it in perspective.
 
when i worked at a fast food joint, we'd go on break and occasionally forget to take our drive thru headset off.
taco bell, burger king, wendys, arbys all run on the same system, so we could sit by their store and answer their drive thru or just talk to the employees inside. (2 channel system)
 
There's two sides to government policies.

1. Those that make them money (i.e. selling air space/frequency lots, parking tickets, speeding tickets, etc) which they enforce.
2. Those that cost them money (i.e. enforcing the laws of this country, going after criminals, etc) which they half ass enforce.
 
I think that's a pretty far reach to say that that government half assed enforces the laws and persues criminals. I think the overflowing jails would kind of prove that. Beside this rule didn't need to be enforced previously because it wasn't a problem. Now it is.
 
The latest Line 6 units are up in the 2.4Ghz band, so it's a pretty safe bet that's a good place to be. However, there are a lot devices that live there. Bluetooth, car alarms, wireless video systems, WiFi, microwave ovens, etc. all use that spectrum. However, most devices that use it are highly selective, and so don't really interfere with each other. The signal itself is usually encoded in such a way that even if there are many devices in the same area using the same frequency, they don't pay attention to each other. Typically, if the interference is severe enough, what happens is dropped packets (lost transmissions) that force the Rx/Tx pair to retransmit. This can slow things down, but even that isn't normally detectable. The frequency is so high that you can retransmit a packet several times before latency becomes an issue. Absolute worst case, you start losing packets altogether, which manifests itself as "dropouts".
 
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