true temperment neck!?!

[back2thefutre]

http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php


Does anybody have one of these? Tell us about please; sound, functionality, quality?

 

[exaN]

never tried it but if that can help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uehDWQNActA

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

it's close enough for me.  My motto is, "You still have to play it."  I wonder what it would sound like if I were to deadfret on one of those.

And to Vai, Slash has a double neck Acoustic/Electric and Electric over 18 years ago.  He had several, and they were Guilds.

Embedding is disabled, so here's the pic.

 

[kboman]

Intonation on guitars is awful. I'm currently recording and I feel embarrassed by how it sounds. Constantly retuning to compensate for each song helps, but it's not exactly practical... Too bad TT is so expensive or I would definitely give it a go, but it's handmade stuff and that costs money.

They've been mentioned here before a couple of times and since they're Swedish I've read a few reviews - the general impression is that it feels odd for five minutes, and then you never want to go back.

 

[stubhead]

I can't fathom what happens when you bend stings. Woo-WEEE! Talk about out-of-tune.... As I have grown up on a radio & album diet of out-of-tune electric guitars, my ear has become accustomed to they way they sound. Dead-perfect intonation is BORING, which is why chorus, flanging & doubling are so popular. Ever since I started playing pedal steel guitar, and doing the exercises needed to play "in" tune, I've become aware of the broad difference between equal temperament tuning and just intonation - your 3rds are 13 to 15 cents off already. I think that alone is larger than any placement of the frets. Blame Bach, for wanting to play in all 12 keys.... :sad1:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament

 

[-CB-]

ol'scribblefrets

 

[kboman]

I can't fathom what happens when you bend stings. Woo-WEEE! Talk about out-of-tune....

Apparently it's a non-issue once you actually play a TT neck.

As I have grown up on a radio & album diet of out-of-tune electric guitars, my ear has become accustomed to they way they sound.

I only get more and more sensitive to it, especially when I'm doing the playing. It's goddamn frustrating to tune up your guitar and still sound like sh*t. These days, I avoid open chords whenever I can :-\

It's rare, but there have been a few songs I've actually had to turn off because I couldn't stand how horrible the guitar sounded. This can be due to badly tuned guitars too - ever heard the studio version of "Ziggy Stardust"? :tard:

 

[hannaugh]

I played a guitar at NAMM with a neck like that.  It was an acoustic though.  I think it would be kind of cool to have one, but yeah bending strings is pretty weird.  It would definitely not be my go-to axe for lead playing.  Just for chords. 

 

[Death by Uberschall]

Intonation on guitars is awful. I'm currently recording and I feel embarrassed by how it sounds. Constantly retuning to compensate for each song helps, but it's not exactly practical...

These days, I avoid open chords whenever I can

It's rare, but there have been a few songs I've actually had to turn off because I couldn't stand how horrible the guitar sounded.

I've been in the studio several times and have had to tune a guitar to fix a certain chord. Meaning, play the chord and adjust the string causing the problem and punch it in. It's a common problem with guitars.

These necks look promising, but how well do the bends work? I mean if you bend the string in the direction of the off-set, it has to make a sudden change in the note as you move over it.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

If EJ, one of the most anal retentive guitarists ever, can live it with, I think I can.  Like DBU mentioned, EJ compensates by tuning certain strings a hair sharp or flat.  Apparently EJ can tell whether a chord is plugged in backwards (didn't know there was a "backwards"), and the difference between 9v battery brands and how much of a charge they have.  Like Stubhead mentioned, I've never known or heard any other way.  TT won't help me learn sweep pick or play in time.

 

[OzziePete]

If you have a guitar that is adjusted to sound true, won't that clash with other guitars that are tuned in the old way? :icon_scratch: And also bass guitars?

I have heard that argument against changing over to an Earvana nut - so the same would have to apply to a guitar that has frets adjusted to have true tuning?

I count myself lucky in that my hearing won't pick up such minute differences in tone. I will hear obvious bad pitch and singers singing off key and the like, but fractions of pitch out, I can't hear so well.

Interesting concept, but then the whole band would have to change over to true tuning if other guitars are in the band - two guitars playing the same chord progression will have one sounding off pitch and made obvious by the other one played in tune.

And if this all stems from Bach's tempered tuning of keyboards (assuming the guitar and piano have similar tempered tunings), won't the keyboards have to be tweaked too?

 

[dbw]

Oh just what I always wanted, to own a different guitar for every key, like a trumpet player.

 

[Mor Paul]

Oh just what I always wanted, to own a different guitar for every key, like a trumpet player.

You called?

 

[whitebison66]

Cords have a direction? Seriously, I have heard an hilarious horror story from a club owner in Houston (he didn't think it was hilarious) about a 4-hour EJ soundcheck that involved swapping out individual/ specific speaker cabinet screws, steel for brass, etc., and then adjusting them by 1/4 turns. The club owner took revenge by telling Eric that maybe they needed to be degaussed. EJ seemed to think this was a good idea and promised to look into it. Call me an @ss, but that kind of thing goes way past tone-hounding into OCD. 

I used to like to tell guys who strung their Floyds with the ball end at the tuners that the guitar would never play in tune with the strings on backwards.

TT would be a nice thing to have. So would an Eventide, a wall of vintage Marshalls, a guitar tech, and a major label contract.

 

[Wyliee]

We've got a TT neck on a guitar at the shop.  It plays quite well.  Bending is no problem and there's no difference in playing.  Pretty impressive really.

 

[rockskate4x]

it seems that compensating the frets instead of compensating the nut is more complicated then it needs to be. Would you need the special fret placement if you already had an earvana?

 

[back2thefutre]

it seems that compensating the frets instead of compensating the nut is more complicated then it needs to be. Would you need the special fret placement if you already had an earvana?

Well here are my thoughts. With an Earvana the temperment will be perfect somewhere in the middle of the neck. And moving away from that spot the temperment will get worse and worse(But hey it still is very good). The TT system tries to get that spot right on each fret, but it's gunna be a smige off on each fret. So the question is which smige is bigger? There might be some spots on the Earvana neck that are closer and some on the TT neck that are closer. So probably basically they accomplish about the same. So 30  bucks for a Earvana nut or 600 for TT? But which is going to get you more girls, probably the TT :glasses9:

 

[Return of Guitlouie]

I just don't WANT to sound that in tune.  :toothy11:

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

it seems that compensating the frets instead of compensating the nut is more complicated then it needs to be. Would you need the special fret placement if you already had an earvana?

The Earvana nut is not a 100% fix.  While both have the same end in mind, they go about it different ways and are not to be used together.  10+ years ago, the Buzz Feiten tuning system was supposed to be the be all end all, and the link posted hear awhile back had a luthier state many guitar manufacturer's neck are multiscale either by accident are design.  In other words, regardless of the scale length, the frets are in the wrong the place on many name brand guitars.

 

[dbw]

So am I missing something here, or can you only play in a limited set of keys on any given TT neck?  That's what's unacceptable to me... but nobody else has mentioned it...