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If anyone has not tried this out, they should.

The Behringer Ultra G GI100 Active DI Box with Speaker Simulator.

I have always used a SM-57 to mic my cabinet for Live performances, but this thing really impressed me. 'Cost me only $34 new, and sounds great.
 

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Behringer has pissed off a lot of people in the musical equipment market, so they get a bad rap that's largely undeserved. But, the reality is they make a lot of pretty nice stuff for the money.
 
If you get one that works. I went thru 4 bass amps with them 2 where DOA and the other 2 didn't last a month. returned them all to Zzounds ( great company really helpfull ) and got a fender bronco 40.
 
So, you traded a Chinese amp for a Chinese amp. Not that there's anything wrong with that...
 
I think it is deserved . . . but has to be tempered with the fact they are still in business and have been for a long time.

Like Cagey I believe they give a lot of value for the money, and fill a certain niche in the market.  But reliability is problematic for them. I'm not basing this on internet reviews, hearsay, opinions, etc but instead on the experiences of my sis-in-laws business which is fixing electronic musical instruments, and has been for almost 30 yrs, and they are an authorized Behringer repair center. I don't really have any details on the why and wheres cuz we don't discuss this stuff a lot, but they consider Behringer to be in the low reliability category.

But with all that said after lots of research and reading I'm planing to get the Bugera (which is Behringer) 5v amp.

FWIW
 
Behringer is a business that largely depends on loaning/stealing other manufactures designs and making budget versions - as cheap as possible.

Knowing that it can hardly surprise that a fair deal of their products have issues.

But there are exceptions like their studio monitors. And their digital converters which seems to sit in every studio around the world.

All thou I haven't tried the DI this thread is about I would guess that you can't go entirely wrong with that. I wouldn't be scared to buy such a thing with the Behringer brand on it.
 
ezas said:
But with all that said after lots of research and reading I'm planing to get the Bugera (which is Behringer) 5v amp.

Before you plunk down any cash on a V5, you really need to find one in stock somewhere and play through it. I used to have one, and they're a lot better looking than they are sounding. For not too much more you can get a V22, and those really do romp and stomp as well as sound good clean. Plus, they make good bedroom amps while being capable of getting loud enough to play over the drums in a small club. Kill a lotta birds with that one stone, and you'd have to be pretty impatient to pay more than 3 Benjamins for one.
 
SustainerPlayer said:
Behringer is a business that largely depends on loaning/stealing other manufactures designs and making budget versions - as cheap as possible.

I'm not aware of them loaning anybody their designs, but they have based some of their units on existing gear, at least cosmetically and control-wise. Electrically, their designs are their own, at least as much as any tube amp can be original. There hasn't been anything new under the sun regarding tube amps in a very long time. You can play with the tone stack, add master volume controls or second channels, put in effects loops or power limiters, use different tubes, etc. but that's all just wiring more than anything else. To say Behringer/Bugera is "copying" the designs of others is like saying Honda or Ferrari is copying Ford.
 
Some of their pedals are pretty much copies of other (more expensive) pedals - but then many of the pedals on the market are slight variations on the 'classics.'

When some 'boutique' builder makes an expensive 'clone' of a classic pedal, everyone thinks it's great. When Behringer does it cheaply, everyone accuses them of ripping off the design.
 
Some of their pa gear are redesigns of makie stuff. Still good stuff for the money of you get a good one. My violinist plays through a powered monitor ( clone of a equivalent makie unit) and it works really great. Was less than 100 bucks as well.
 
Jeremiah said:
Some of their pedals are pretty much copies of other (more expensive) pedals - but then many of the pedals on the market are slight variations on the 'classics.'

Open up any of the pricey pedals, and you'll find a little circuit board with maybe one chip and a few surface-mount components on it. Now, open up your computer and look at the motherboard. Thing's huge, has hundreds of components and you can buy those all day for less than $100. So, how does a little 2" square board with a dozen or so penny-priced components cost $300? Massive markup. They really only cost $20 to manufacture once you include the case, artwork, a switch and a couple/few pots and jacks. So, even at 100% margin, Behringer can set list prices at $40 or so. Of course, this pisses off their competitors and the retailers immensely. Behringer is wrecking their business model. Everybody has been ripping musicians off for many years, and they like it that way. Plus, nobody who's paid $300 for a delay pedal is going to admit that a $40 unit sounds just as good. Hence, the loud roar of bad-mouthing you hear about Behringer products. If they charged as much as everybody else does, you'd get some sane discussion about their various merits.
 
Two of the worship teams I've played in for a long time use Behringer bass amps, nothing's ever gone wrong with them and I'd say they sound pretty good.
 
Guys, I wasn't trying to promote Behringer products. I just figured for 34 bucks, I'd give this thing a try, and it worked really well. Most of you guys have probably spent $34 at a Harbor Freight store for some cheap, useful tools made in China.

The DI Box/Speaker Simulator, and a Compressor are the only Behringer products I own. I would never make a big ticket item purchase with Behringer.

I remember a couple years ago, my band suggested getting a Behringer mixing board.
I said HELL NO! We ended up with a Carvin. Still cheap, but made in USA, has the features I like.
 
Cagey said:
Before you plunk down any cash on a V5, you really need to find one in stock somewhere and play through it. I used to have one, and they're a lot better looking than they are sounding..

Sorry to further derail the thread, but I'd be interested to know what you didn't like about the V5.

Is it actually a bad amp, or is it just that like most basic tube amps, it only has one sound and if you don't like that there's not a lot you can do about it? (Combined with the fact that a 1x8 is always going to sound small and boxy.) Did you try it through a larger speaker cabinet?

I may be coming to the conclusion that it just isn't possible to build a good tube amp this cheaply, and in the kind of price range of the V5 it is better to get a modeling amp.
 
It was a good little amp. Small, attractive and well-built. But, I didn't fall in love with it mainly because the overdrive was the old inverse-parallel pair of diodes in the preamp trick, which never sounds good. Had to use a pedal for dirt, and even the best of those are a compromise to my ears. Clean, it was pretty good. Definitely had that tube vibe. Through a big bottom it was ok if you racked it up to 11. In fact, it was surprising what you could get out of the thing, considering it was only 5 watts. Naturally, the power tube went microphonic after only about 8-10 hours use.

Then, to get some variety I had to run a few effects through it, and it started to lose its appeal as a small amp. I was using up a lotta floor space with pedals and whatnot and if I was going to do that, I may as well just get a bigger amp that has some features to it. So, when Fender came out with the Super Champ XD, I got to kill several birds with one stone. Not very large physically, good sound both clean and dirty, at low volumes and high, with a pile of amp models and special effects built in and a 10" speaker so it didn't sound like a Pignose. Lotta bang for the buck. I think I only paid $250 for it new, so it wasn't a budget-buster at all. In this one, one of the preamp tubes went microphonic early on.

So, that sorta reinforces your thinking - small tube amps are usually one-trick ponies, and modeling will probably serve you better. Although, the Champ certainly isn't very big (17"x15"x9"). I can imagine you being pretty happy with one of those. They don't make the XD version anymore  - now it's the Super Champ X2. Basically the same amp at the same price ($299 street), but they brought out the modeling processor to a USB port so you can tweak it even further with a computer. Also not made in the US, but since it's Fender so it's ok. The Gear Page guys won't kick your ass. Speaking of price, if you're patient, Musician's Friend does the 15% off coupon thing all the time, so you'll get down in the $250 range.
 
Thanks for the information - Fender amps are a lot more expensive in the UK - typical prices are around £280-300 for the X2, which is nearly the price of a Night Train or Tiny Terror.

I was thinking about the Vox Valvetronix or Roland Cubes, though actually I'd rather get a head than a combo, and was also looking at the Orange Micro Terror, as I've mentioned in the recent Orange thread.

 
Ah, I didn't know you were in England. I'm sure it's a nice place, but the way they tax you guys is criminal. It's a wonder anybody owns anything.
 
Scotland actually. :icon_thumright:

Even without the taxes, Fender amps seem to be disproportionately expensive here - for example, looking at the Musician's Friend site, a Fender Blues Jr costs about the same as a Blackstar HT-5R, but over here, the Fender is about £100 more.

 
Cagey said:
Ah, I didn't know you were in England. I'm sure it's a nice place, but the way they tax you guys is criminal. It's a wonder anybody owns anything.

Uhh...they way we are taxed in the USA is CRIMINAL too.
 
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