tele tuner holes

[BlueLou222]

i am contemplating buying a warmoth pro tele neck for my 2005 deluxe ash tele. the stock tuners have pins attached to keep them in place on the headstock. what hole option should I have the neck ordered with? see attached photo.

 

[bagman67]

You'll want to either do some research online to find the dimensions of those tuners, or, rather than trust the gaggle of yahoos online, get your hands on an inexpensive caliper to measure their diameter yourself.


http://www.harborfreight.com/catalogsearch/result?q=caliper


They're too cheap not to get one.


Bagman

 

[mayfly]

Note - warmoth will not drill holes for tuner locating pins.  They will just drill the shaft hole and nothing else.

Regarding the size of that shaft hole, I'd just measure it.

Regarding the locating pins, you should go out and get this:

from here:

http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tools/Special_tools_for_Tuner_installation/Tuner_Pin_Drill_Jig.html?tab=Details#details

It's a great tool and will put those pin holes in the right place.

 

[BlueLou222]

Measuring should be easy enough, just fit a drill bit in the old neck. I guess I'll have to break down and get the jig. Thanks for the replies
Lou

 

[pabloman]

Just line the tuners up and snug them down. I've done it a few times and it worked great.

 

[duosonic]

wow.  2 set pins.  that indeed would require the stew mac jig.

 

[Cagey]

i am contemplating buying a warmoth pro tele neck for my 2005 deluxe ash tele. the stock tuners have pins attached to keep them in place on the headstock. what hole option should I have the neck ordered with? see attached photo.

It is as Bagman said - you have to know what the hole dimension needs to be before you can instruct Warmoth, so a caliper is good investment. They're more accurate than you need for guitar work and have many other applications, so it's a good tool to have and they're not expensive. Follow his link, and whip out your credit card.

Your other choice is to replace the tuners, which I would be strongly tempted to do. Actually, not tempted at all. I'd just do it. To my way of thinking, all guitars need locking tuners, and a set of Schaller mini-lockers won't require you to drill holes blindly for location purposes. Figure the jig that's been pointed out (which is handy in its own right if you do a lot of guitar work) is $35 or so, and a new set of chrome mini-lockers will run you ~$78 from Warmoth, and the difference is only $43. So, for $43 you have lockers where now you have... something less. To me, it's a no-brainer. You can collect returnable cans and get that kind of money fairly quick.

See? I can do gummint-style accounting, too! <grin>

So... get on it. Report back when you're done.

 

[BlueLou222]

Pulled the trigger and bought the neck. After speaking with salesperson and measuring the tuners. We are 99.9 percent sure they are the scallers 25/64  11/32. I already have a spare set of tuners ( not locking) but I 've not had much trouble staying in tune as long as I lube my nut and bridge when changing strings. Got the Graphtech nut though. Got a couple months  though so I'll wait till then to grab the jig . Think I'll grab a nice straight edge too. Psyched about going to the combo radius from a 9.5 . Looking forward to the stainless jumbo frets too. I've already replaced the stock pickups with Joe Barden Danny Gatton model a few years back . I'm hoping once I get this new neck on this will be my dream Tele!

 

[BlueLou222]

On second thought Cagey gonna take that advice and get the locking tuners.  :icon_thumright:

 

[AutoBat]

excellent choice

 

[Cagey]

On second thought Cagey gonna take that advice and get the locking tuners.  :icon_thumright:

You won't be sorry. Even if you don't have a vibrato bridge, lockers are just easier to deal with.

 

[ezas]

I was tired of being confused about this and come up with this.

This is Warmoths specs for tuner holes (normalized to 64ths)

Schaller: 22/64th – 25/64th
Gotoh/Grover: 22/64ths – 26/64th

Stewmac calls out the larger 26/64th (13/32nd) for Gotoh/Grover and Schaller for 10mm tuners. Example from the Schaller page: "All Schaller M6 tuners require 10mm (13/32")-diameter pegholes."

Warmoth calls out the larger 13/32 for Gotoh tuners

The actual spec of the tuner size as given by Stewmac

Grover: 9.91mm
Gotoh: 10.00mm
Schaller: 9.91mm

10mm = 25/64ths

Please don't take the above as gospel WRT tuner size. This is simple the measurement given on Stewmac for the EXAMPLE tuner I looked at for each manufacture.

Months ago when I did my first build I called Warmoth and asked about 10mm tuners (from GFS) they had me get the Schaller hole and the tuners fit without problem. If anything they felt loose to me. Whoever I talked to at Warmoth said something about the tuners fitting sloppy but I didn't really follow him. Now that I've done this research I understand what he was saying about the Schaller hole for 10mm tuners.

I hope this helps others visualize how the tuner measurements compare. Boiled down to one sentence it comes down to 1/64ths difference. And by the measurements I came up with above really any of these tuners SHOULD fit the smaller Schaller hole. Since 10mm (the size of the larger Grovers) is equal to 25/64ts the size of the smaller Schaller hole.

This is NOT advice. I've only assembled two guitars so my actual experience is limited. The above is just my effort to understand better the whole hole (see what I did there) issue.

 

[AutoBat]

Steward MacDonald's sizing is notoriously wrong.

The only caveat when sizing is if you're after vintage tuners it doesn't matter what make, just get the vintage ream. (I'm sure someone makes 'em wonky, but that'll get you 98% of the time)