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So What About Poplar?

Jeremiah

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So... poplar does not seem to be a wood that people recommend or like to use, even though it is cheap and Warmoth say it has a tone similar to alder.

Is this mostly because it is not thought to look that good, because it actually has worse tone, or just because it has got a bad reputation by being used in a lot of cheap low quality guitars?

I'd consider a poplar body as I reckon by the time the sound has gone through the pickups, amp, whatever microphone gets put in front of it, the house PA, and the ears of various people in various stages of drunkenness, no-one would notice that it was 'inferior' poplar and not some more expensive wood.
 
It's just tough to work with if you're going for a natural finish. If you're shooting a solid color over it then you won't notice too much difference, if any at all.
 
Jeremiah said:
So... poplar does not seem to be a wood that people recommend or like to use, even though it is cheap and Warmoth say it has a tone similar to alder.

Is this mostly because it is not thought to look that good, because it actually has worse tone, or just because it has got a bad reputation by being used in a lot of cheap low quality guitars?

I'd consider a poplar body as I reckon by the time the sound has gone through the pickups, amp, whatever microphone gets put in front of it, the house PA, and the ears of various people in various stages of drunkenness, no-one would notice that it was 'inferior' poplar and not some more expensive wood.

My priorities for tone are about what I hear and feel. After all, I'm the one playing it.
 
It is hard to get any kind of transparent finish to look good because it absorbs stain very deeply yet unevenly, but there are definitely some good looking ones, search around. It doesn't need grain filling, though, so that's a big plus. From the examples I've seen, it's quite a bit softer than alder (which is not that hard) and therefore not as durable if you're going for a very thin finish.
Some people do say it doesn't sound as good - but have never produced any evidence that I have seen. My poplar strat sounds just great though I don't think it looks very flash. The CIJ strats that everyone wants are poplar.
It's associated with cheaper guitars because it's not a rare wood. Lots of very highly regarded guitars have been made of poplar - just the same story as basswood, really. If fender had started making telecasters with poplar instead of swamp ash (which was cheap at the time), there would likely be a much more positive view of poplar out there.
 
Poplar can look great if you get the right piece. Case and point attached. 100% Poplar through and through.
 
Steve Morses signature Music Man is made of poplar.  Im not a fan of his playing but if he thinks it sounds ok i trust his judgment.
 
Poplar gets kicked around a lot, and I can't argue the rationale in many cases. That said - one of the better sounding recordings I did in a pro studio (NOT to be confused with a home studio) was with a poplar P-Bass. I friend stopped by with it to show off  his new bass while I was doing a session. I plugged it in, the engineer EQ'd it up, and I used it on two songs. Long story short: I didn't like it at first, but under the right circumstances...anything can have sonic value  :guitaristgif:
 
I have a Godin Detour, which is a strat style body, maple center with poplar wings. I'm not sure to what extent the poplar is influencing the sound, but the guitar sounds great to me!

http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_1067343
 
Sonically, I doubt anybody would say it doesn't sound good other than the usual preference wars.  The issue is finishing.  There are great looking a natural or tansparent finishes done on Poplar, but they tend to be the exception and not the rule.  IMO, no one chooses Poplar because it's pretty and the good looking transparent finishes on Poplar are usually, "You won't believe this is Poplar."  Poplar is wood, there are good looking pieces and ugly pieces.
 
Hi, I'm new here. Ordered a Poplar body off the showcase last week, that and a superwide Bubinga/Pau Ferro neck. My very first Warmoth. :toothy10:

My first halfway decent electric guitar was an Aria strat copy, I think from the seventies. I stripped it a while ago and found out it's made out of 9 pieces of poplar sandwiched between 2 thin non-identified veneer. Cost me roughly the equivalent of 100$ in the late eighties, and it's slain nearly every real strat I've ever put my hands on tonewise. I stained and linseed oiled it. It feels great, and taking the plastic finish off has increased the sustain.

Thinking of Ikea oil for the finish btw. It's cheap, organic, and comes in different colours. The white one should give a unique messed up Mary Kay look. :icon_biggrin:
 
tfarny said:
It is hard to get any kind of transparent finish to look good because it absorbs stain very deeply yet unevenly, but there are definitely some good looking ones, search around. It doesn't need grain filling, though, so that's a big plus. From the examples I've seen, it's quite a bit softer than alder (which is not that hard) and therefore not as durable if you're going for a very thin finish.
Some people do say it doesn't sound as good - but have never produced any evidence that I have seen. My poplar strat sounds just great though I don't think it looks very flash. The CIJ strats that everyone wants are poplar.
It's associated with cheaper guitars because it's not a rare wood. Lots of very highly regarded guitars have been made of poplar - just the same story as basswood, really. If fender had started making telecasters with poplar instead of swamp ash (which was cheap at the time), there would likely be a much more positive view of poplar out there.

Nice summary- I agree.
I will reiterate/add that generally it is not a good wood for trans. finishes.
But in terms of sound, really, it's pretty good.  I have had a lot of poplar guitars, and I would say that's it's VERY similar to alder- although it tends to be a bit heavier.
It's like any other wood- it has its good and band points, and can vary greatly from piece to piece (or guitar to guitar). But I think it's a very viable option for an easy to finish bolt-on guitar.
 
The CIJ Strats everyone wants are MIJ Strats, there is a difference.  IMO, the MIJ Strats from the late 80s and early 90s that are sought after have as much to do with the necks and overall quality of the guitars as a whole, not just the Poplar bodies, which many are actually Alder and even Mahogany.  My MIJ Strat I love isn't Poplar.  I'd also add that some the Fender genius is not done like the originals.  His first guitars had pine bodies and necks w/out truss rods.  Even the great Leo revised his rough draft.
 
FWIW, Fender made most bodies out of poplar back in the 70's. Ash was used on translucent, clear, and burst finish.  So it went from Alder and Ash to Poplar and Ash.. then back to Alder on better models, Ash on the models where the grain would show, and things like Basswood, for the low end models.  Throw in some occasional Mahogany, and other short run models... with other woods.

It used to be, back in the good ol' days, you'd buy poplar furniture for the "kids room" or other places where it was liable to get beat up, since poplar was cheap and easy to refinish.  Poplar was entry level furniture.  Pine was still used for crates...  Now days, poplar would be considered a better grade of furniture, with pine being a more low end.  Times change.  I've got some poplar furniture I got when I was 13, bought by my parents, used by me, my sisters, then in my parents spare room and now back as my bedroom furniture.  No problemo... has lasted well with daily use for ... a LONG time.  I've also got a newer set of cases and cabinets made of poplar, with only a bit of a "wash coat" finish.  No issues.  Good wood.  Not pretty.  But neither is it expensive.

I cant vouch for the tone of it, but... its probably a medium warm/medium bright wood.
 
This thread seems to be the most recent so I'll add to it instead of starting a new one. 
   
    See the guitar in my avatar?  That's a poplar Warmoth Strat body with a Warmoth candy tangerine finish.  When I ordered that body, it wasn't because I couldn't afford alder.  I was torn between alder, ash, and even considered the unthinkable taboo options of basswood or poplar.  I lost sleep over it.  I have owned Strats and Strat style guitars with bodies of alder, poplar, and hard ash.  I've played Strats and the like in swamp ash.  Some of the guitars were true Strats with 3 single coil pickups, some were S-S-H, and some were H-H.  I've even owned a couple of basswood solid bodied guitars.  My favorite Strat for tone and feel was a poplar Strat MIM.  Call me crazy.  So much has been said about poplar being inferior to alder.  Other than appearance (which in itself is subjective) I have seen or heard no evidence of this.  As someone in this thread indicated, poplar is not used for acoustic instruments.  I'm not a luthier so I can only guess that it's either because of its softness, its greenish tint, or both.  It seems that 95% of the opinions out there regarding tonewood don't take into account the difference between solid body and hollow/semi-hollow bodied guitars nor is the opinion based on anything more than what someone else has written.  Who can blame people if that's all they have to go on.  Yes, I read the comment that says not to describe poplar as a tonewood, but since it is a wood and it does have tonal characteristics I have (rightly or wrongly) lumped it into this general category.  Someone on a another site negatively referenced poplar in his description of basswood.  Here is a quote:  “A clearer, darker Basswood should produce more sound, while the yellowish lower grade seems to have more of the undesirable tonal qualities of Poplar.”  This is the only mention of poplar on that webpage.  He goes on to list many body woods, neck woods, body top woods, and fretboard woods, but nowhere does he explain what those undesirable tonal qualities of poplar are. 

    Anyway…. I made a conscious decision to use poplar as the body wood for this particular custom build.  I’ve been playing this guitar for a year and a half to two years, and it sounds, plays, feels, and looks great.  I’ve heard no negative comments regarding its tone.  I use good amps, pickups, and all the other variables that affect tone.  Someone I talked with today, who has an extensive knowledge of guitars, guitar history, guitar repair, and luthiery -  someone whose guitar related advice I trust – found out that my guitar has a poplar body (only because I told him) and acted as if I had cheated death by surviving with a poplar guitar for this long.  He’s played the thing before and never had anything but positive comments about it.  He basically said (I’m paraphrasing here) I got lucky because poplar usually sucks and is not even fit for firewood much less as a guitar body.  He even made some comment comparing it to cardboard.  This bothers me.  Did I get lucky?  …. Or is all this anti-poplar talk some kind of misinformation campaign?  What’s the deal?  If I could go back in time before I placed my order from Warmoth, I would still choose poplar for this guitar.  I might use a different wood in a different guitar, but that won’t have anything to do with all this vague negativity being carelessly coughed up by people who like to voice their misinformed opinions.

…… and to make a long story short….. oh, it’s too late for that.  :sad1: I’m sorry.  Thanks for reading if you did!  :)
 
I think that people denote it because it isn't expensive.

Yes, honestly, I do. I see the same thing every day, all the time in online videogames. If it's easy to get or cheap, it isn't cool and it isn't good. I wouldn't be surprised if it would be the same for guitars. People denote basswood a lot, yet John Petrucci used basswood guitars up until his most recent BFR model and his tone is just kickass.
People seem to not want to think that cheap wood can make a guitar sound good. Why? I think some people feel that if they spent $2500 on their guitar to get it to sound good and someone comes with a $1000 guitar and sais it sounds just as good but with cheaper woods, they don't want to hear about it and start making up reasons for why the cheap woods are much worse.

It's all silly really and it's honestly a sort of wood-rasism. Bleh, I say, bleh.
 
Kaoskadosk said:
Lol wood racism. That's funny.

FWIW my strat is made of poplar and it's the best sounding guitar I've ever played. I've even had the same neck from the guitar on an alder strat and a swamp ash WGD body, but prefer the tone of the poplar one.
 
Kaoskadosk said:
I think that people denote it because it isn't expensive. Yes, honestly, I do. I see the same thing every day, all the time in online videogames. If it's easy to get or cheap, it isn't cool and it isn't good.
I totally know what you mean with regard to video games, particularly "gamer" hardware. 

Remember when the first laser mice came out? I was lucky to buy a Logitech MX 518 for under $20 during that period, because they were clearing them out; everyone thought the new laser mice would be better. Well, word got out they weren't better, and now if you want the MX 518, you'll pay $42.99 at New Egg, and even more in brick and mortar stores.

Of course, things are more subjective in the guitar world, so you can't do an objective test like you can with computer mice (the guys that did the phonograph test were brilliant.) It would be interesting if you could.

What you learn in economics class (at least in the first year) has little to do with reality.
 
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