Return of the Gibson Moderne.....?
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Except for a few guitars like the original L6-S, all Gibson seems to do is make a wacky shape and slap on some a pair of ’57 Classic humbuckers or Burstbuckers and calls it something new.
At least Fender made the Tele with it's own pups, Strat with their own pups, Jag with their own pups, Mustang with their own pups, Jazzmaster with their own pups. Each of these Fender guitars have their own distinct sound.
At least Fender made the Tele with it's own pups, Strat with their own pups, Jag with their own pups, Mustang with their own pups, Jazzmaster with their own pups. Each of these Fender guitars have their own distinct sound.
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Come on, that is just nasty! This is supposed to be a family forum, so we don't post about lemon parties or blue waffles or Gibson Modernes.
Now I have vomit all over my keyboard, just like that time Marko sent me that picture of his Tele. :icon_jokercolor:
But seriously, Modernes are ugly! :sad1:
Now I have vomit all over my keyboard, just like that time Marko sent me that picture of his Tele. :icon_jokercolor:
But seriously, Modernes are ugly! :sad1:
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At least it's not a reversed V. :tard:
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They are a goofy instrument. I had one here earlier this year...
This one is serial number 0006, from 1982. Belongs to an old friend of mine.
Besides an appearance that possibly only a mother could love, they hang funny. The neck ends up extended farther out to your left than a typical guitar. Oddly enough, it's fairly comfortable when standing. Of course, there's no sitting down with one, but otherwise it plays pretty much how you'd expect a Gibson to play. The pickups are nothing to write home about, but those are easily changed.
He had some Gibson reps actually offer him a pretty substantial chunk of change for it about 5 years ago, but he decided to keep it. Figured there were never going to be any more of thems, so...
And yet, here we are, watching Gibson scrabble for market share once again through the use of blatant goofiness.
Y'know, if they'd just make a decent guitar at a reasonable price, they might be surprised at how much market they could grab.
This one is serial number 0006, from 1982. Belongs to an old friend of mine.
Besides an appearance that possibly only a mother could love, they hang funny. The neck ends up extended farther out to your left than a typical guitar. Oddly enough, it's fairly comfortable when standing. Of course, there's no sitting down with one, but otherwise it plays pretty much how you'd expect a Gibson to play. The pickups are nothing to write home about, but those are easily changed.
He had some Gibson reps actually offer him a pretty substantial chunk of change for it about 5 years ago, but he decided to keep it. Figured there were never going to be any more of thems, so...
And yet, here we are, watching Gibson scrabble for market share once again through the use of blatant goofiness.
Y'know, if they'd just make a decent guitar at a reasonable price, they might be surprised at how much market they could grab.
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Had those been around for the last 50 years, like the Explorer and V, we wouldn't think them as strange.
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Super Turbo Deluxe Custom said:
No! The first time I saw a Explorer I thought it was awesome... The first time I saw this thing My eyes were in pain like I had volcano's lava being dropped on it...
A good design will be a good design forever... a bad design can't... That is just plain bad design...
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FernandoDuarte said:
I'm speaking more in general terms rather than individual opinions. There are many good, timeless designs that many think hideous, the Telecaster. I don't care for the moderne at all, but I haven't seen it played on stages or album covers like Teles, Strats, Les Pauls, etc. for the last 50 years. We do have to be told what to like afterall.
Gibson didn't have to make very many pickup designs, they nailed it with the humbucker. Besides they have singles, minis, P90's and a few others as well. Gibson tone comes from the guitars. Fender had to have all those different pickups because there's only so much you can do with a chunk of ash or alder.
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pabloman said:
Pabloman, please take this in the spirit of cooperation toward the goal of greater understanding, peace, harmony, and kumbayah:
That's the kind of declaration that I read and have to blink several times to make sure I understood, and then, having confirmed my understanding of what you wrote, I say to myself, hmmm... that sounds a little too simplistic to be the whole story as Pabloman sees it. Otherwise it's just kinda "huh?"
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Those were initially designed in 1957 along with the V and the Explorer and there is all kinds of debate as to if any one actually has an original. Many consider it the Holy Grail of guitar collecting if you can in fact prove that you have an original 58 prototype. I wish I had bought one of the first reissues when I saw it for $800.00 used in a music store in Concord CA about eight years ago because I just saw one with a $7500.00 price tag on it two weeks ago at the Guitar Showcase in San Jose. They are ugly but they are Reverend approved and look how cool Billy makes that guitar look.
I'm just sayin back in the day you had a PAF in a Les Paul an SG or a 335 and each guitar was very distinct. This has carried over with the 490 series and BurstBuckers or 57's as well. Put a Jazzmaster pup in a Tele and it won't be so "Tele", put a Tele bridge in a Strat and it won't be so "stratty". I'm saying that fender guitars get a huge amount of their sound from the different pups. To imply all Gibsons that use the same humbucker sound the same is silly. Anyway you slice it Gibson models sound distinct because of their construction. The PAF era proves that. Fenders were designed to be generic.
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I'm still missing the point, or rather, how your logic takes you to the point you're making.
First you say if you put the same Gibson pickup in different Gibson guitars, they'll each sound distinct. Then, you say if you put the same Fender pickup in different Fender guitars, they'll each sound distinct. Somehow, from that, you draw the conclusion that Fender guitars are generic, and PAF pickups are proof of that?
I'm struggling here...
First you say if you put the same Gibson pickup in different Gibson guitars, they'll each sound distinct. Then, you say if you put the same Fender pickup in different Fender guitars, they'll each sound distinct. Somehow, from that, you draw the conclusion that Fender guitars are generic, and PAF pickups are proof of that?
I'm struggling here...
pabloman said:
"They nailed it with the humbucker"
I like my guitars variable - more than a 'one trick pony'. if you are implying they nailed a centain sound with the humbucker, then you are agreeing with me to a certain extent. Even if you take a look at my Gibson guitars, they tend to be alot different from each other because each had a distinct sound. I own Gibsons with minis, P-90s, Shaw (precursor to the '57 HB), etc... Sure, not all Gibsons sound the same but they tend to use a similar pup on alot of different guitars.
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A good set of PAF's hear the guitar really well so I agree with Vic that humbuckers translate quite differently from one guitar to the next, even from one string set to the next.
I put some ThroBak PAF's on my Lester last year in place of the Duncan 59's. I also had the guitar re-fretted and jumped up a gauge from 10's to 11's. I got the guitar back and was sick that I had spent that much money on it and I did not like the pickups. The guitar wound up spending a lot of time in the closet then I got the bright idea of going back to the 10's a few weeks back. I can't believe how wonderful it sounds now. Those pickups were hearing the strings so well that the 11's were coming through really dark, the 10's although thinner sounding acoustically on the guitar gave it the right amount of clarity and cut that the pickups wanted to hear. On my 59 ES 350T which has real PAF’s the guitar sounded way too thin with light strings so I have 12's on it and the pickups love it. I have learned to try different gauge strings on my guitars to find what the pickups like and adjust my playing to that set of strings. No "Another Brick in the Wall" solo on the guitar with 12,s.
I put some ThroBak PAF's on my Lester last year in place of the Duncan 59's. I also had the guitar re-fretted and jumped up a gauge from 10's to 11's. I got the guitar back and was sick that I had spent that much money on it and I did not like the pickups. The guitar wound up spending a lot of time in the closet then I got the bright idea of going back to the 10's a few weeks back. I can't believe how wonderful it sounds now. Those pickups were hearing the strings so well that the 11's were coming through really dark, the 10's although thinner sounding acoustically on the guitar gave it the right amount of clarity and cut that the pickups wanted to hear. On my 59 ES 350T which has real PAF’s the guitar sounded way too thin with light strings so I have 12's on it and the pickups love it. I have learned to try different gauge strings on my guitars to find what the pickups like and adjust my playing to that set of strings. No "Another Brick in the Wall" solo on the guitar with 12,s.
