P-rail Wiring Help

[Nicholasdaniel]

I need some help. I want to wire my p rails with 2xvol and a master tone control I have three push pulls and would like to have these setting in the diagram below for the push pulls I know i only need two but i ordered an extra one on accident instead of a regular 500 pot anything i can do with this one? can i use it was a regular pat or should i wire it up for more sounds? ???
Does anyone have any ideas on what i should do or could possibly draw me a diagram it would be really appreciated  :help:
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2_prails_1v_1t_tspp

 

[stubhead]

If I understand what you're asking*:

The P-Rails offer three choices: the P-90, the single coil, or both.

That means each pickup would first have to go to a DPDT 3-way, on/on/on switch.
Then that output goes to it's own volume,
then those go to a three-way pickup selector,
then to the master tone,
then out to the jack.

You need on/on/on switches to take full advantage of the P-Rails, and the push-pull pot's switches are only two-way on/on switches.

Have you ever seen these? http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/triple-shot/triple_shot_swi/

*(ain't necessarily so....) :dontknow:

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

I have seen those but doesn't the set up in thier wiring diagram use all the settings of the prails with push pull pots?

 

[bob7point7]

You can get all 4 P-rails sounds with 2 push-pull pots. With the 3 way switches stubhead mentioned, you can only get 3 of the sounds (you don't get both coils in parallel, which is much more useful with P-rails than with most humbuckers). If you want to make use of the 3rd push-pull, you could use it to wire the two pickups in series with each other or something. You could also use it to switch between two different capacitor values for the tone control. Of course, there is nothing wrong with simply using the third push-pull pot as a standard pot.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

You can get all 4 with the 2 push/pulls, but it does the same thing to both pickups.  Both are P-90, both are humbucking, etc., etc.  While the 3-way switch does allow independent selection of either pickup, both pickups are in the same mode.  No mixing and matching of sounds.  Besides, with most pickup selector switches and mini-switches, their orientation in the layout usually gives an intuitive indication of what they do.  With 2 push/pulls and 4 combinations, you have to learn and remember what each does.

As far as making it 2 volumes, find the output of each pickup as it leaves the mini-switch and put a volume pot between each one it's position on the 3 way toggle.

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

I like the dual capacitor idea I think ill look into that...

But I have no idea how to do that or add an extra volume I'm a noon at this

 

[Firebird211]

Using two DPDT push-pull pots is also a wiring option on the seymour duncan website, and offers every single possiblity the P-rails has to offer.  The extra push-pull could be a phase switch, or if you want you can also add or switch capacitors in the tone circuit.  So many possibilities.  I have one in my design as well, but I don't know how the P-rails sound yet.

 

[Jet-Jaguar]

having tried my hand at push-pull pots and triple-shots, I'd say the triple shots were much easier to solder for a newb like me.  You'd think they'd be harder, since they're so small, but they're clearly marked and solder quickly.

 

[Firebird211]

having tried my hand at push-pull pots and triple-shots, I'd say the triple shots were much easier to solder for a newb like me.  You'd think they'd be harder, since they're so small, but they're clearly marked and solder quickly.

  I have never tried the triple shot rings before.  I always wondered how easily you can use the switches when you are playing because those look small too.

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

And Im not trying to be like needy but this is what i want just to clarify i fairly new to wiring but im not afraid to experiment alittle if i have a very clear idea of what i have to do
I understand how to wire the push pull pots to get the sounds i want what i have a clear diagram of that
what is confusing me is how i could add an extra volume pot so i have 2x volume with the pushpulls wired for the prails and a master tone
i dont understand all the outputs and what goes where and how to connect it to the lever switch :dontknow:
and i would also like to take advantage of the push pull for the tone control
IDK if that actually clarified anything

Using two DPDT push-pull pots is also a wiring option on the seymour duncan website, and offers every single possiblity the P-rails has to offer.  The extra push-pull could be a phase switch, or if you want you can also add or switch capacitors in the tone circuit.  So many possibilities.  I have one in my design as well, but I don't know how the P-rails sound yet.

Which design are you talking about sounds interesting?

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Try this NickDan.  I know it isn't pretty.  I don't do graphics, or diagrams, or schematics.  Here's proof.  If for some reason it doesn't work, here's the two I made this hyrid with.  Not to be rude, but try and trouble shoot it yourself starting at the jack and following the signal.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_1t_3w
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2_prails_1v_1t_tspp

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

Oh it's not rude at all I understand completely I'll try to make a diagram of that myself to see if I understand it I the part that's confusing me know is just the tone pot but I'll see if after I draw it all makes sense I really appreciate it

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Forgot to add, ground the tone pot and bare wire from p'ups.  If the 3 way toggle isn't orientated properly, rotate it 180 degrees or switch the 2 wires from the pickups.

 

[Firebird211]

And Im not trying to be like needy but this is what i want just to clarify i fairly new to wiring but im not afraid to experiment alittle if i have a very clear idea of what i have to do
I understand how to wire the push pull pots to get the sounds i want what i have a clear diagram of that
what is confusing me is how i could add an extra volume pot so i have 2x volume with the pushpulls wired for the prails and a master tone
i dont understand all the outputs and what goes where and how to connect it to the lever switch :dontknow:
and i would also like to take advantage of the push pull for the tone control
IDK if that actually clarified anything

Using two DPDT push-pull pots is also a wiring option on the seymour duncan website, and offers every single possiblity the P-rails has to offer.  The extra push-pull could be a phase switch, or if you want you can also add or switch capacitors in the tone circuit.  So many possibilities.  I have one in my design as well, but I don't know how the P-rails sound yet.

Which design are you talking about sounds interesting?

The design I was talking about was more or less based off of my custom guitar in work in progress, phoenix down.  There is a wiring diagram in there you should check out, but it shows up kind of small and hard to read.  You can probably see from looking at it the flow of connections through multiple switches.  In my design the two push pull tone knobs control the p-rail bridge, and the volume has a phase switch for the neck pickup.  I used a three position switch right next to the tone knob to give the ability to bypass tone, 0.022uF cap, or 0.042uF value by adding a 0.02uF cap in parallel to the existing tone cap when the switch is in that position.  Check out the site guitarhotrod.com for examples and ideas.  I hope that helps you.

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

I finally had the time to print this out and i like the name you saved the picture as "diagramforaguwellneverseeagain"  :icon_thumright:

Try this NickDan.  I know it isn't pretty.  I don't do graphics, or diagrams, or schematics.   Here's proof.  If for some reason it doesn't work, here's the two I made this hyrid with.  Not to be rude, but try and trouble shoot it yourself starting at the jack and following the signal.

http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2h_2v_1t_3w
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/schematics.php?schematic=2_prails_1v_1t_tspp

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

LOL.  I was wondering if you or anyone would see that.  Nothing personal, more of an inside joke with myself.  It seems a lot of guys are active on the forum as long as they need help with something.  They get the help they need and don't stick around.

Did you give it a go?  It was my best educated guess splicing 2 diagrams that you'd need.  I was hoping someone would double check it.  As far as I know, it should work.  The confusing parts, if any, would be my attempt at doing graphics and not the soundness of the diagram, i.e. where wires cross pathes.  I know it looks busy.  On the tone pot, both caps should originate at the center lug.

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

I just wired it up sbout 10 minutes ago and went to test it and there is really crazy hum im looking it over know to see what i need to fix

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Try switching the 2 wires at the jack.

 

[Nicholasdaniel]

I also just realized I wired the switch the opposite way should I fix this first? Then see or invert the jack wires

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

I also just realized I wired the switch the opposite way should I fix this first? Then see or invert the jack wires

Yes.  I suggested the jack reversal because that is quite common.