Obscure/Boutique Guitar porn!

[chrisg]

The idea is that each string can have it's own scale so that the tension and intonation is optimized per string.

My BS meter just ran off the scale!!

Why do you say that? It's a perfect solution.
If you adjust the scale length per string, you get the best intonation and balance. You may have noticed that fixed scale length instruments with frets are a compromise. Every string is close to the same scale, and the frets are all in the same place. The only adjustment you have is to set the saddles to intonate at the 12th fret.

It's only a perfect solution if all guitars in the band used the same fretting system otherwise some would be out of tune.
From the picture it seems the fret angles (relative to the 5th fret) are exaggerated by the nut and bridge angles, so as to achieve a different scale length for each string.  To my ear the beauty of the guitar is that it has idiosyncrasies like not every note is perfect (particularly at the pointy end) and this makes the 'sound' we all know and love.  If I wanted to play every note pitch perfect I would learn the piano.

 

[bagman67]

  If I wanted to play every note pitch perfect I would learn the piano.

Actually, that's a compromise, too.  It's just one westerners are pretty used to.

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament

 

[tangent]

  If I wanted to play every note pitch perfect I would learn the piano.

Actually, that's a compromise, too.  It's just one westerners are pretty used to.

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament

Not only that, but typically pianos will be tuned to a 'stretched' tuning rather than true equal temperament.. the stretched tuning is basically employing the same concept as fanned fretboards, on a piano it is even more important than stringed instruments due to the larger octave span.

 

[line6man]

The idea is that each string can have it's own scale so that the tension and intonation is optimized per string.

My BS meter just ran off the scale!!

Why do you say that? It's a perfect solution.
If you adjust the scale length per string, you get the best intonation and balance. You may have noticed that fixed scale length instruments with frets are a compromise. Every string is close to the same scale, and the frets are all in the same place. The only adjustment you have is to set the saddles to intonate at the 12th fret.

It's only a perfect solution if all guitars in the band used the same fretting system otherwise some would be out of tune.
From the picture it seems the fret angles (relative to the 5th fret) are exaggerated by the nut and bridge angles, so as to achieve a different scale length for each string.  To my ear the beauty of the guitar is that it has idiosyncrasies like not every note is perfect (particularly at the pointy end) and this makes the 'sound' we all know and love.  If I wanted to play every note pitch perfect I would learn the piano.

You probably wouldn't be a fan of the TrueTemperament necks and Earvana nuts and such, then.

At the end of the day though, this is one of many reasons I dislike frets on a bass. Get rid of them and you can intonate any damn way you want.

 

[rapfohl09]

Man, there are some really nice pieces of wood out there.

Also, the fanned frets are suppose to match the natural angle of your hand as you move it up and down the fretboard. Along with the intonation things.

 

[drewfx]

  If I wanted to play every note pitch perfect I would learn the piano.

Actually, that's a compromise, too.  It's just one westerners are pretty used to.

See also:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_intonation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_temperament

Not only that, but typically pianos will be tuned to a 'stretched' tuning rather than true equal temperament.. the stretched tuning is basically employing the same concept as fanned fretboards, on a piano it is even more important than stringed instruments due to the larger octave span.

And stretched tuning is necessary because of inharmonicity in stringed instruments - the overtones of a vibrating string are not perfectly in tune with the fundamental, depending on the elasticity, tension and string length. Thick, short strings have more inharmonicity than thinner ones, hence you can get away with a shorter scale length for thinner strings.

And sorry, a fretless is of zero help in solving this problem. 

 

[chrisg]

The idea is that each string can have it's own scale so that the tension and intonation is optimized per string.

My BS meter just ran off the scale!!

Why do you say that? It's a perfect solution.
If you adjust the scale length per string, you get the best intonation and balance. You may have noticed that fixed scale length instruments with frets are a compromise. Every string is close to the same scale, and the frets are all in the same place. The only adjustment you have is to set the saddles to intonate at the 12th fret.

It's only a perfect solution if all guitars in the band used the same fretting system otherwise some would be out of tune.
From the picture it seems the fret angles (relative to the 5th fret) are exaggerated by the nut and bridge angles, so as to achieve a different scale length for each string.  To my ear the beauty of the guitar is that it has idiosyncrasies like not every note is perfect (particularly at the pointy end) and this makes the 'sound' we all know and love.  If I wanted to play every note pitch perfect I would learn the piano.

You probably wouldn't be a fan of the TrueTemperament necks and Earvana nuts and such, then.
At the end of the day though, this is one of many reasons I dislike frets on a bass. Get rid of them and you can intonate any damn way you want.

The TT necks just look weird but the Earvana nut I could live with.  Its good to see some healthy debate.

 

[Kadmium]

It's so cool to see some luthiers doing interesting new things. It's so depressing to be recommended to some boutique guitar-maker, only to go to their website and see that the line-up is a Strat, a Tele and a Les Paul, the same as pretty much everybody else's line-up. What's special and compelling about them? They've gone back to the drawing board and made an even more faithful reproduction of the same old stuff you've heard before. It's nice to see innovation happening .

 

[Jusatele]

It's so cool to see some luthiers doing interesting new things. It's so depressing to be recommended to some boutique guitar-maker, only to go to their website and see that the line-up is a Strat, a Tele and a Les Paul, the same as pretty much everybody else's line-up. What's special and compelling about them? They've gone back to the drawing board and made an even more faithful reproduction of the same old stuff you've heard before. It's nice to see innovation happening .

x10 on that

 

[bagman67]

It's so cool to see some luthiers doing interesting new things. It's so depressing to be recommended to some boutique guitar-maker, only to go to their website and see that the line-up is a Strat, a Tele and a Les Paul, the same as pretty much everybody else's line-up. What's special and compelling about them? They've gone back to the drawing board and made an even more faithful reproduction of the same old stuff you've heard before. It's nice to see innovation happening .

x10 on that

I agree, also - I don't much care for the Petrounov line aesthetically, but the builds appear to be quality workmanship.  It is definitely nice to see folks getting away from the same old same-old.  And as Scoop Nisker used to say, if you don't like the news, get out there and make some of your own.

Peace

Bagman

 

[DangerousR6]

Now that's cool...... :headbang1:

 

[Nando Vallart]

:tard:

 

[AGWAN]

the more I see Charvel Strats the more i want to build a Warmoth knock off of one,

 

[Velcro]

Now that's cool...... :headbang1:

Is it?

 

[Big V]

Now that's cool...... :headbang1:

Is it?

yessssss :icon_jokercolor:

 

[Velcro]

Now that's cool...... :headbang1:

Is it?

yessssss :icon_jokercolor:

Oh ok

 

[m4rk0]

That is made by someone on this forum! can't remember who though

 

[DangerousR6]

That is made by someone on this forum! can't remember who though

whom ever it was, they have a lot of patience......

 

[Mor Paul]

Whitebison, I believe.

 

[DangerousR6]

Well I give him props for his efforts, cause that to alot of planning patience and skill...