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notmy style of music

Admittedly, I liked a lot of Madonna's older music (circa 1980s).  Maybe it was my young age, or maybe it was just...better.

Regardless what anyone says about her, she's one Hell of a performer and anyone who thinks Lady GaGa, Britney Spears, Christina Aguilera, etc. even come close to her are crazy.  There is no comparison; she was the best, is the best, and will always be the best. 

Michael Jackson and Madonna are the Pop "royalty."  Say what you want about either of them but no solo act ever lit up a stage the way Michael did or Madonna did and continues to do.

Anyway, I don't really care what goes on in the sporting world.  The only time I watch the Super Bowl is if the Steelers are playing, just like the only time I'll watch the Stanley Cup is if either the Devils, Flames, Leafs, or Blues are playing.

When it comes to the World Series, Soccer, etc., I couldn't even tell you who's playing.  I don't even know who was in the World Series last year.  All I know is it was the Cardinals and somebody else...
 
didn't see it, but Madonna has been overrated since the 80's..
but the thing is, I don't care enough to argue about that..

 
Marko said:
didn't see it, but Madonna has been overrated since the 80's.. but the thing is, I don't care enough to argue about that.. 

I suspect that's true for most people. Where it gets in people's craw is that she's wildly famous for no apparent reason, so it offends one's sensibilities. There are starving artists with real talent who work their asses off for little or no recognition or compensation whatsoever while this talent-free bit of trailer trash gets to be a millionaire? It grinds. Then, at its root it's not really even her they're worked up over - it's the entertainment industry machine. She's just a target of opportunity. Left to her own devices, it's unlikely any of us would have ever heard of her.
 
While I'd hate to be the devil's advocate here, do you all think Madonna never put in her time?  Do you think she just sat on her ass and made millions?  Maybe she didn't stand in front of a Marshall stack all day plucking away on strings but you can believe she worked very hard on her dance moves, choreography, putting together a show, and her athletic physique.

Today she's still doing all those things, running a clothing line, running a record company, and producing films.  No talent?  My ass.  You don't stay on top without talent.  That woman has probably worked harder than 99% of the peiple around the world who criticize her.

No, I'm not what I'd call a Madonna fanboy or even a fan, but I can appreciate her and respect her for what she does and the effort she put into her career.
 
Daze of October said:
While I'd hate to be the devil's advocate here, do you all think Madonna never put in her time?  Do you think she just sat on her ass and made millions?  Maybe she didn't stand in front of a Marshall stack all day plucking away on strings but you can believe she worked very hard on her dance moves, choreography, putting together a show, and her athletic physique.

Today she's still doing all those things, running a clothing line, running a record company, and producing films.  No talent?  My ass.  You don't stay on top without talent.  That woman has probably worked harder than 99% of the peiple around the world who criticize her.

Signed,

Madonna's Mother
 
Cagey said:
Daze of October said:
While I'd hate to be the devil's advocate here, do you all think Madonna never put in her time?  Do you think she just sat on her ass and made millions?  Maybe she didn't stand in front of a Marshall stack all day plucking away on strings but you can believe she worked very hard on her dance moves, choreography, putting together a show, and her athletic physique.

Today she's still doing all those things, running a clothing line, running a record company, and producing films.  No talent?  My ass.  You don't stay on top without talent.  That woman has probably worked harder than 99% of the peiple around the world who criticize her.

Signed,

Madonna's Mother

HA!  NICE ONE!

 
Well, again, I don't care enough to argue about that.

it is like explaining to a teenage girl why Justin Beebert sucks..
or explaining to you why Yngwie is awesome

 
Yngwie is awesome because he has ruffled shirts.  :headbang1:  seriously though WTF? He looks like an effing pirate hag. I love when people try to express their opinion as fact. Anyway just keep in mind there is a difference between a musician and an entertainer. There has only been a handful of artists that have been able to get by on substance alone and most of them came from the hippie era where the audience was too baked to give a shit anyway. There has to be some sort of visual impact to go along with the performance.
 
Like I said, not my style of music

now having said that, I am mature enough to admit Madonna is a huge talent, has put in her time, spent years reinventing herself between albums and had kept fresh and relevant to her style of POP for years.

Not My Style of Music

But I would never show ignorance by claiming she had no talent or such. You have to face the fact that she had a long list of hit records, She was not a flash in the pan or a one hit wonder. It takes talent and drive to get where she has.  Make fun all you like but in 20 years you will hear  a lot more oldy moldy Madonna songs being played than Dream Theater. I am not judging the talent of either one, just saying the fan base is there. And you do not get that large of a fan base being a talentless one hit wonder, it takes yeas to get that kind of fan base and you have to have talent.
 
Madonna was a master at what I call the "Happy Meals" approach to career management. Get 'em while they're young, and you'll have them forever. This isn't a new idea - Frank Sinatra had his bobby soxers, Elvis had 'em too. The Beatles lived and played in the red-light district of  Hamburg for a while, drinking and boinking everything they could find, at one point they were even living a a cathouse - then they moved back to England, grew out the adorable moptops and wrote songs like "Love Me Do" and "I Wanna Hold your WHAT!?!" :icon_scratch:

It's a fairly solid career plan - first you get the 11-year-old girls, and within a few years you've got the 14-year-old boys, because they'll do (and listen to) just about ANYTHING to be "friends" with the now-14-year-old girls. How many suffering boyfriends got dragged to a Madonna concert by the mere whiff of poon... When Madonna first came out, she sang like an 11-year-old girl herself - no vibrato, no power, a one-and-a-half octave range. And now, with all her millions, has she ever taken voice lessons, learned to project from the belly muscles, can she scat sing jazz? Hell no, she ain't that dumb - she still sings like an 11-year-old girl.  :laughing3:

 
pabloman said:
There has only been a handful of artists that have been able to get by on substance alone and most of them came from the hippie era where the audience was too baked to give a shite anyway. There has to be some sort of visual impact to go along with the performance.

Really? I LOVE lights and high visual intensity at a show as much as the next person....but its very easy to tell if the lights are there to make up for the playing or to compliment it.  I can still be impressed by someone tearing it up with a guitar in a coffee shop or on a street, if the talent is there.  I also think most small venues don't have elaborate lighting systems and are usually some of the most fun shows to go to.  Just my 2cents.  Or maybe I misunderstood....you could just be referring to big mainstream pop musicians, in which case you're dead on :)
 
I'm talking along the lines of complementing the talent. People will see Kiss over and over and over but with Dylan once is enough. And SixString you hit it, the smaller venues are also more intimate. You feel like part of the show.
 
Daze of October said:
While I'd hate to be the devil's advocate here, do you all think Madonna never put in her time?  Do you think she just sat on her ass and made millions?  Maybe she didn't stand in front of a Marshall stack all day plucking away on strings but you can believe she worked very hard on her dance moves, choreography, putting together a show, and her athletic physique.

Today she's still doing all those things, running a clothing line, running a record company, and producing films.  No talent?  My ass.  You don't stay on top without talent.  That woman has probably worked harder than 99% of the peiple around the world who criticize her.

No, I'm not what I'd call a Madonna fanboy or even a fan, but I can appreciate her and respect her for what she does and the effort she put into her career.

There are a lot of talented artists that work their asses of and are not successful.
 
pabloman said:
Yngwie is awesome because he has ruffled shirts.  :headbang1:  seriously though WTF? He looks like an effing pirate hag. I love when people try to express their opinion as fact. Anyway just keep in mind there is a difference between a musician and an entertainer. There has only been a handful of artists that have been able to get by on substance alone and most of them came from the hippie era where the audience was too baked to give a shite anyway. There has to be some sort of visual impact to go along with the performance.

Well, kill me now, but I'd listen to all of Madonna's records before I'd listen to all of Yngwie's.  His playing does nothing for me; it fails to stir my soul in either a positive or negative direction.  Yeah, he's good, and while I find his techniques to be impressive but that's about it.  I just don't feel a groove to his music.  It just comes off more as a "HEY, LOOK WHAT I CAN DO!" than anything of musical substance.

Now, don't get me wrong with the above.  I'm not saying Madonna's music is soul-stirring, but at least she has some songs with hooks to them, unlike Yngwie's noisy barrage of sweep-pick after sweep-pick.  There's nothing wrong with sweep-picking, but in his case it just doesn't add anything to his songs.

StubHead said:
Madonna was a master at what I call the "Happy Meals" approach to career management. Get 'em while they're young, and you'll have them forever. This isn't a new idea - Frank Sinatra had his bobby soxers, Elvis had 'em too. The Beatles lived and played in the red-light district of  Hamburg for a while, drinking and boinking everything they could find, at one point they were even living a a cathouse - then they moved back to England, grew out the adorable moptops and wrote songs like "Love Me Do" and "I Wanna Hold your WHAT!?!" :icon_scratch:

It's a fairly solid career plan - first you get the 11-year-old girls, and within a few years you've got the 14-year-old boys, because they'll do (and listen to) just about ANYTHING to be "friends" with the now-14-year-old girls. How many suffering boyfriends got dragged to a Madonna concert by the mere whiff of poon... When Madonna first came out, she sang like an 11-year-old girl herself - no vibrato, no power, a one-and-a-half octave range. And now, with all her millions, has she ever taken voice lessons, learned to project from the belly muscles, can she scat sing jazz? Hell no, she ain't that dumb - she still sings like an 11-year-old girl.  :laughing3:

Exactly.  While I find her to be a bit of an airhead of sorts, as I do Gene Simmons, they are both very smart business people and fully aware of what is happening with their financial affairs. 

Jusatele said:
Like I said, not my style of music

now having said that, I am mature enough to admit Madonna is a huge talent, has put in her time, spent years reinventing herself between albums and had kept fresh and relevant to her style of POP for years.

Not My Style of Music

But I would never show ignorance by claiming she had no talent or such. You have to face the fact that she had a long list of hit records, She was not a flash in the pan or a one hit wonder. It takes talent and drive to get where she has.  Make fun all you like but in 20 years you will hear  a lot more oldy moldy Madonna songs being played than Dream Theater. I am not judging the talent of either one, just saying the fan base is there. And you do not get that large of a fan base being a talentless one hit wonder, it takes yeas to get that kind of fan base and you have to have talent.

This is exactly my point.  While I'd probably rather listen to the majority of Dream Theater's older stuff, they've failed to reinvent themselves over the course of the last 2 or 3 records; their past few records have been stale before they've even hit the shelves.  I like to equate Dream Theater as the "2010 Camaro of the music world."  By the time the 2010 Camaro dropped, we'd already been seeing it since 2006-2007.  It was no longer anything special; stale design before it hit the showrooms.
 
you forgot to mention that you enjoy listening to Justin Beeber and that his hair is lovely!  :icon_jokercolor:
 
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