New Chevy billboards around Detroit

[JaySwear]

i think max is going to reference his white water rafting trip in every post he has until we all just go, so we might as well just bite the bullet and meet for a rafting trip this weekend. one big UW river raft! :icon_biggrin: kidding max.

i think people will remember the cars of today years from now, but it won't be big american muscle cars like the ones people think of now. i think if somebody asked me about cars of 2000 - 2010 in 20 years i'd think of DB9's, lamborghinis, and other euro sports cars. not really the new mustangs or the viper (which isn't being made this year) and i've never been a big corvette fan.

 

[smjenkins]

There definitely are super amazing exotic cars out there that people will remember, but a big part of the historical resonance of the old american cars is that normal people could afford them.  People drove them and saw them driven everyday.  You can't say that about DB9's and Veyrons (unless you live in Dubai). 

 

[JaySwear]

There definitely are super amazing exotic cars out there that people will remember, but a big part of the historical resonance of the old american cars is that normal people could afford them.  People drove them and saw them driven everyday.  You can't say that about DB9's and Veyrons (unless you live in Dubai). 

thats a very very good point. hopefully we're not all doomed to remember honda civics then :icon_biggrin:

 

[AGWAN]

Personally I think people will look back and be happy this finally existed...

 

[JaySwear]

some people do remember those fondly :icon_biggrin:

then again there are people like my grandfather who don't remember them fondly. he couldn't leave europe after the war because he got into a jeep accident and was hospitalized for several months even though he had enough points to go home. so i guess seat belts are nice to have haha

 

[AGWAN]

yeah, I like the one with the stereo and doors.

I've owned an Old jeep. loved and hated the thing at the same time.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

The Jeep is a weird animal.  Although trademarked (now) by Chrysler, it wasn't always.  And Chrysler didn't always make Jeeps.  Ford did too.

 

[AGWAN]

^technically, ford created the Jeep. depending on who you talk to.

And the 4.0 used in the Jeeps until 2006 was originally created by Nash in 1936

good lord that was an easy engine to work on.

 

[DangerousR6]

This is whatthe people at Chrysler do... :laughing11:
http://beforeitsnews.com/story/187/584/Chrysler_Autoworkers_Caught_on_Camera_Drinking_Beer,_Smoking_Pot_During_Break.html

 

[AGWAN]

you should see what the people at GM do on their break... i have stories...

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

Same here.  I worked at the Arlington GM assembly plant in Arlington, TX during a shutdown for retooling.  I stayed there after it was restarted and all of the employees came back.  They have twice as many people doing half as much, so they could get by with 1/4 the personnel.  No one there is prepared to get their hands dirty, and breaks....

 

[Graffiti62]

I hate to point blame, especially being a pro-union individual (my brother's IBEW), but its the UAW who have allowed rules for people to live in, which, honestly, are pretty broad rules. A perfect example of this came from talking to my aunt's neighbor one day. He was trying to get a job at the GM plant in Janesville in the early 90s, and he saw a half dozen guys sleeping on parked forklifts. He was told, that according to the union contract that GM agreed to, as long as those gentlemen were on the forklifts during their shift, they had to be paid for a full day, and could not be fired unless they weren't on those forklifts. The UAW was also one of the big factors in causing these auto manufacturers to begin hemmoraging money, which led to their demises. GM and Chrysler spent more paying for employee pensions than they were making selling cars. Oh well, there are other reasons as well, such as the import invasion, Roger Smith, and other things.

 

[erogenousjones17]

Unions were a necessary step in the evolution of industrialization and the workplace, but they have since gone too far. Graffiti's example above is but one among so many. Unionized blue-collar workers in Montreal seem to go on strike once a month. Not so long ago, they called a strike to have a collegue rehired after driving a snowplow drunk and running over a pedestrian...and it worked. It's a damn shame is what it is.

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

A few bad apples shouldn't make the bushel go bad.  Unions have done a lot.  The weekend, minimum wage, 40 hour week, paid benefits, child labor laws, show-up time, over-time pay, etc., etc.  It's as imperfect as anything with human involvement.  Just look at government and religion. 

 

[erogenousjones17]

I totally agree. It's just too bad things have gotten the way they are. But like you said, that's true in a lot of areas.