Needing help for a build?

[DC96]

Hi there!

I'm thinking of a build..
Im after a Jaguar body routed HSH and for a Floyd and since I've never had a Floyd before I thought of some (probably noobish) questions..

1. Can I use a standard jaguar neck with a floyd? Like, the spacing wont mean the strings are unplayable or off the fretboard etc?

2. Does this mean I need to get F spaced pickups? (well, of course it does.. but do I NEED to?) and do F spaced pickups require a wider route in the body?

3. The third question is for people who would know/tried this before..
    If I get a 24 fret Fender neck from Warmoth (the only ones I can find are the overhang) how far does this actually come over the body? will it interfere with my neck pickup?

Thanks dudes!

 

[Cagey]

Im after a Jaguar body routed HSH and for a Floyd and since I've never had a Floyd before I thought of some (probably noobish) questions..

1. Can I use a standard jaguar neck with a floyd? Like, the spacing wont mean the strings are unplayable or off the fretboard etc?

You could, but it would be a custom mod with additional cost.

2. Does this mean I need to get F spaced pickups? (well, of course it does.. but do I NEED to?) and do F spaced pickups require a wider route in the body?

F-spaced pickups look better, but the sound isn't noticeably different so it's not a "requirement". They're physically the same size.

3. The third question is for people who would know/tried this before..
    If I get a 24 fret Fender neck from Warmoth (the only ones I can find are the overhang) how far does this actually come over the body? will it interfere with my neck pickup?

It will interfere with the neck pickup, so they will move that for you if necessary for an additional charge.

But, most of this is moot. Jags aren't available routed for Floyd-Rose vibrato bridges, and Jag necks only come in 24" scale length with 22 frets.

You may want to consider going to the Jazzmaster. Your options open up a bit more there, and it looks essentially the same.

 

[swarfrat]

24 frets will interfere with strat neck pickup location No matter how you slice it or who makes the neck/body/neck joint design etc... - because Fender puts the neck strat pickup under the 1/4 scale length node.

I've seen a few of the "Warmoth needs to make a genuine 24 fret neck" guys get twisted up about this from time to time. Blame Leo & Pythogoras, not Warmoth.

 

[line6man]

There are many different Floyd nut spacings. Be specific.

 

[stratamania]

24 frets will interfere with strat neck pickup location No matter how you slice it or who makes the neck/body/neck joint design etc... - because Fender puts the neck strat pickup under the 1/4 scale length node.

I've seen a few of the "Warmoth needs to make a genuine 24 fret neck" guys get twisted up about this from time to time. Blame Leo & Pythogoras, not Warmoth.

I don't think anyone needs to be blamed but perhaps that needs expanding upon.  If someone orders a body for a neck with a 24 fret extension the body needs to be ordered with the neck pickup rout moved further back.

Talking of 24 frets...versus the basic Strat or Fender design.

The Strat was designed as a 21 fret instrument and a body with a neck pocket to suit.

In the mid 80s the first 22 fret Strats started to appear ( as did various types of superstrats with 24 frets or more.)

The Fender 22 fret necks simply added a little overhang or extension to accommodate the extra fret.  Easy to do because it doesn't require a change of body design and movement of a pickup or neck pocket.

Now enter a 24th fret extension, the overhang is longer and the neck pickup needs to be repositioned closer to the bridge to accommodate. But the body shape and the neck pocket is still the same. So an easy workaround to the basic design to get 24 frets.

Now let's say a bolt on neck is designed to be a 24 fret neck to start with. It would be designed to have the neck be long enough to accommodate the frets and fingerboard without overhang. But that neck won't work with a standard Strat body. So now a body needs to be made with the neck pocket positioned closer to the bridge so when the neck is fitted it will intonate. E.g that 24th fret still needs to be at that precise position.

So now let's look at pickups. If we take a pickup the closer to the bridge it will tend to sound brighter.  And further to the neck warmer.

Traditional design tends to place the neck pickup at the harmonic node where the 24fret would be.  Some feel that this is the place for the neck pickup to be because of the harmonic node, but that only holds true when the string is open.  I would maintain on a 24 fret guitar that the neck pickup is slightly brighter as its moved closer to the bridge more so than it not being placed at the harmonic node of an open string.

 

[DC96]

wow, didn't expect this much help so quick! thanks!

So the standard Jag neck wouldn't work with a Floyd..?

essentially I was looking to either get a body made up to retrofit with a standard 22 fret Jaguar neck that I can pull off ebay or somewhere. The 24 fret question is mainly strong curiosity at the moment.. It makes sense to me to get 2 whole octaves instead of bending, y'know?

If I was to go with a 24 fret neck, would the HSH configuration I want become somewhat irrelevant since the neck HB and bridge HB would be pretty close anyway?
If all of the pickups needed moving down because of the neck, that would make the bridge HB really close to the Floyd, right? so wouldn't the pickup interfere with it when doing bombs and stuff?

Sorry if this seems like a load of questions, but I have never built a guitar before and don't know a lot about the technical aspects. I'd just want to get it right instead of spending a lot of money on parts that wont work together! :headbang1:

 

[Cagey]

Floyd Rose makes a lotta different-sized locking nuts; something will certainly fit a Jag neck. For that matter, with modern nut materials and locking tuners, the locking nut is not the requirement it once was. So, the neck isn't the issue.

The body isn't an issue beyond the fact that Warmoth doesn't offer a Floyd Rose bridge routing, but you can certainly contact them and ask if they'll do it as an off-line procedure. Best case is they say "yes, but it'll cost this much more" or "no". If no, then you can ask if you can get a Jag body with no bridge routing at all. If yes, then you can get somebody else to route it for a Floyd Rose bridge, or do it yourself. There are templates available for such work, if you have a router and the proper bits.

As for stacking all those pickups in a row, I don't think that would be a mechanical or electrical problem, other than the previously mentioned nodal misplacements that might make them sound a little less than ideal.

 

[DC96]

Floyd Rose makes a lotta different-sized locking nuts; something will certainly fit a Jag neck. For that matter, with modern nut materials and locking tuners, the locking nut is not the requirement it once was. So, the neck isn't the issue.

The body isn't an issue beyond the fact that Warmoth doesn't offer a Floyd Rose bridge routing, but you can certainly contact them and ask if they'll do it as an off-line procedure. Best case is they say "yes, but it'll cost this much more" or "no". If no, then you can ask if you can get a Jag body with no bridge routing at all. If yes, then you can get somebody else to route it for a Floyd Rose bridge, or do it yourself. There are templates available for such work, if you have a router and the proper bits.

As for stacking all those pickups in a row, I don't think that would be a mechanical or electrical problem, other than the previously mentioned nodal misplacements that might make them sound a little less than ideal.

Thanks!

I contacted Warmoth a little while ago and they wouldn't offer it, plus the fact shipping and tax to the UK would make it reaaallyy expensive.
I've found a guy who will make a 3 piece Alder jaguar body with all the routings for £140, which I think I'm going to go for.
I'll probably be looking at getting a ready made Jaguar neck off of eBay or something then to go with it, or at worst using my Jaguar's neck until I can afford another neck. (yay for student loans!) It'll be HSH routed as well, so I guess that if I change my mind I can just get an HH pickguard, nice to have the option, right?

As for locking tuners and stuff, I've thought about getting similar ones to a PRS, but I still think I'd like a locking nut if possible. The Jaguar's nut width is  1.650" (42 mm). Do you know if they make locking nuts this wide?

Now to price it all up  :cool01:

 

[DC96]

Oh, also..

Does an Ibanez lo pro edge fit a Floyd routing?

 

[Cagey]

That sounds like a good price for a custom body.

You can see what's available in Floyd Rose nuts by reviewing this chart.

 

[drewfx]

My recollection, unless I'm remembering wrong, is that the 24 fret 7/8th's necks fit the Jaguar and have no overhang.

 

[croquet hoop]

Oh, also..

Does an Ibanez lo pro edge fit a Floyd routing?

An Ibanez Edge/Lo-Pro should fit an Original Floyd Rose cavity: http://forum.ibanez.com/yaf_postst83402_What-trem-goes-into-what-cavity---MUST-SEE.aspx