I have had my Warmoth guitar for a few months now and have just noticed something. It has a raw pau ferro scalloped neck and uses a Kahler trem with locking nut. When I put it flat on a table and push the trem down the neck springs back a lot. About 3 /32" of a drop measured at the end of the headstock. With regular trem use this must be hard on the neck. I think this happens more because of the scalloped neck. I tried all of my guitars with trems and my Malmsteen doesn't move quite as much and my Ibanez artist with Kahler trem hardly moves at all. This is just me noticing this for the first time. Quite surprised.
Neck bends with trem use.
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Yes, then send the trems to me...oh wait, are they Floyds? If not then nevermind.... :icon_biggrin:Teletuby said:
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Dr Phil said:
Does this look like the Pickup forum??
If you don't have a comment or suggestion for the original Poster regarding the original topic, than you shouldn't be here.
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Totally agree,it was his first postBagman67 said:
I mean.joke around about the neck bending,after all you are Stressing the crap out of it, but the guy with the PU question, show him to where his question will be answered.
DR PHIL go to this forum and start a thread with your question
http://www.unofficialwarmoth.com/index.php?board=4.0
it is our PU forum
Sorry I posted at all. This is my first warmoth neck and I am wondering if it moves this much how well it will stand up after years of use. My Ibanez
neck doesn't move and has stood up for 20 years with the same trem setup. I thought I might hear back from someone with a similar guitar and years of use but nevermind, go back to your circle jerk.
neck doesn't move and has stood up for 20 years with the same trem setup. I thought I might hear back from someone with a similar guitar and years of use but nevermind, go back to your circle jerk.
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Dude, calm down...It happens all the time(the thread jacking)...Seriously though, I've never noticed any of my necks, Warmoth or otherwise flexing with trem usage.. :dontknow:ericar said:
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I have only ever owned one guitar with that kind of trem, it was a floyd, and I cannot remember if the neck flexed that much. However I would think the narrower the neck the easier it would be to do,and a exotic wood may not have same structural strength as a hard maple, and then take out more wood to scallop,
I think this may be a case of be careful for what you ask for, you may just get it.
Circle Jerk, Sheesh,I jerk in private thank you.
I think this may be a case of be careful for what you ask for, you may just get it.
Circle Jerk, Sheesh,I jerk in private thank you.
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ericar said:
Mine does it, too. And I'm using a Wilkinson w/ a Pau Ferro neck, no scallops, standard thin profile. Plus, that neck is held on with machine screws rather than wood screws, so it can't get any tighter. Out of curiousity, I tried it with another Strat that has a Koa neck, and another one with a Maple neck. They all do it. It's just the nature of the beast. A set of 10s on a neck will pull forward about 115 pounds. Diving the vibrato releases some of that tension, so the neck's going to relax back a bit.
That's why you always give the neck a day or two to normalize after stringing it up to tension before you call any truss rod adjustment good/bad.
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Cagey said:
See, that's what I was thinking.
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Thanks
I was just worried that I would stress the neck too much and end up with tuning problems down the road. I was very impressed with the smooth solid feel of the pau ferro but I now feel that it is not as strong as maple or mahogany. My Malmsteen strat does move but not as much. My mahogany neck Ibanez artist doesn't seem to move at all but it is also thicker and glued in. Anyways thanks for the replies.
I was just worried that I would stress the neck too much and end up with tuning problems down the road. I was very impressed with the smooth solid feel of the pau ferro but I now feel that it is not as strong as maple or mahogany. My Malmsteen strat does move but not as much. My mahogany neck Ibanez artist doesn't seem to move at all but it is also thicker and glued in. Anyways thanks for the replies.
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Pau Ferro is harder and more dense than Maple (.82 vs. .70 specific gravity), and a LOT harder/heavier than Mahogany. If anything was to move, it would be the Mahogany. But, neck construction has a lot to do with how it behaves. A shorter or thicker neck is going to hold its shape better than a longer or thinner one. The heel probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference if the design is the same for all three, but if you were to get into a Les Paul vs. Stratocaster or something like that where the neck is half-buried in the body vs. mostly exposed, then things change. The LP neck has a lot of external support. Whether it's glued or bolted doesn't matter.
But, fear not. They've been putting wang bars on Strats since day one, and neck attachment failure is pretty rare. When it does occur, you can usually find its root cause at the user's hands, not on the design.
But, fear not. They've been putting wang bars on Strats since day one, and neck attachment failure is pretty rare. When it does occur, you can usually find its root cause at the user's hands, not on the design.
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Bagman67 said:
'Sorry, but it looks like SPAM or a joke of some kind. At the very least, he would have started his own thread asking a pickup question if he didn't know that there's a pickup forum, but someone here posts a thread to ask a neck question, and the good "doctor" replies with a pickup question? That's just lame, newbie or otherwise.
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Newbies see that kind of treatment right out of the box, they won't join the forum, and the place will get all inbred. Only comfy "acceptable" posters will post. Then, as "acceptable" posters leave for whatever reason, they won't be replaced. Eventually, the forum dies of attrition. I don't think we want that. Fresh blood is a Good Thing <grin>
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you know learn from your mistakes and never deny you made themStreet Avenger said:
after all, did you not start the third thread about the Gibson raid today? without even looking to see they had a thread already? all in a hurry to post it? Well you should learn from that, we need to be a little more tolerant and direct him where to post the question. then we all will live in harmony, the planets will align, beautiful music will be played by Bill and Ted, and we will all live in HARMONY
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