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Showcase items does not allow 720 mod

But if I would want for example a Soloist body it's nice that the contoured heel is free/cheap, but it still wouldn't look good with a 24 fret neck.

Does anybody know how many millimeters lower the neck pocket would be? And is it easy to screw up?

I guess I would have to make some kind of table with a hole resting on the body for the router and use a ball bearing bit... I've never done this before so please help  :toothy12:
 
http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/GuitarNeckPocket.aspx

Check that out. But just using the ultimate power of Mathematics you would need to get rid of approximately 2.415 mm to make it the same as the 720 mod. No idea how you would do that however.
 
A normal Strat neck pocket is .625" deep. The 720 mod makes it .095" deeper (.720", hence the name).

Is it easy to screw up? Well, I suppose that depends on how confident you are with a router. Given a good template, a sharp bit, a flat-faced body, and meticulous attention to detail, it's doable. I've done it successfully before, but I've got brass balls that clang when I walk  :laughing7:

Just be aware that the routerbeast is a mean tool. You can do one helluva lotta damage in a hurry, often in unrepairable ways.
 
Incidentally, if your dangly parts are also made of a fairly hard substance and you want to proceed, you can get a neck cavity routing template from Stewart-MacDonald for $23 that look like this...

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One side is for guitars, the other for basses. They're very slightly oversized, so you have to line the inside bearing walls with a bit of tape or something to shrink it down to spec, but it's a lot easier than trying to make a template of your own. You use some double-sided tape (or screws if you can get away with it) to attach it to the body, then use a pattern-following mortise bit set to the right depth to cut your pocket floor.

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IMPORTANT: If you're not cutting an entirely new pocket but rather lowering an existing pocket floor, the end of the template will be hanging out in the breeze so you'll have to make a spacer to hold up the far end of the template. Otherwise, the template will bend under the weight of the router and you'll make a (completely useless) curved pocket floor. Also important is the cutting depth of the mortise bit. 1/2" is the only standard size that will work for this trick. Since we want the bottom of the cut to be at .720", the bearing that rides the inside walls of the template will only barely contact it. Doesn't stop you from doing it, it's just something to be careful about. Finally, I've found it kinda tough to find mortising bits smaller in diameter than 1/2", so you may have to do a small amount of chiseling in the corners of the pocket to get the entire floor down. That's easy enough, but I just thought I'd mention it.
 
Ah yeah that thing with the template bending from the routers weight and making a crappy pocket... I really dont wanna risk that... And since I suck at woodwork I will most definitely screw it up.

It's so annoying that Warmoth doesn't offer 720 in the showcase, given that they make such bargains on contoured heels... That would make a treasure chest of soloist bodies for 24 fret necks haha
 
Axkoa said:
http://www.warmoth.com/Guitar/Bodies/Options/GuitarNeckPocket.aspx

Check that out. But just using the ultimate power of Mathematics you would need to get rid of approximately 2.415 mm to make it the same as the 720 mod. No idea how you would do that however.

I tried find a calculator to convert inch to mm but i didn't find one that could handle "advanced inches" just 1, 2, 3 and so fourth... Hahah

Thanks for helping out!  :glasses10:
 
Cederick said:
I tried find a calculator to convert inch to mm but i didn't find one that could handle "advanced inches" just 1, 2, 3 and so fourth... Hahah

Google is your friend. It'll convert damn near anything to anything if you ask it right, even obscure things that don't much sense, like "furlongs per fortnight" (0.000166309524 m / s). You just have to give it the measurement and units "in" units and it'll come back with an answer as the first result. For instance, if you type in the search field

23mm in inches

it'll come back with

0.905512

Conversely,

0.905512 inches in mm

returns

23.0000048 (close enough for rock 'n' roll)

You can convert weights, lengths, speeds, volumes, and many other things as well. Very handy.
 
Thanks!

Well, we'll see how things turns out. Just narrowing down all the options right now. :)
 
Dudelets, this is sooper, sooper EeeZee. FoolProof. You get a hardwood sanding block, specifically 1.5" wide. Because of this specific width, it is nigh-on IMPOSSIBLE to re-angle the neck pocket unevenly, lumpy, high spots/low spots. There is a TINY bit of tidying up to do, more in a bit here. There are loverly 1.5" x 1.5" X 6" gorgeous hardwood CHUNKS all the frick all OVER the place (well, Ebay) - DUCK Call...turning blanks:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=duck+call+wood+turning+blanks&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.TRS0&_nkw=duck+call+wood+turning+blanks&_sacat=0 

Somehow I don't think the ducks are all THAT terrified... mebbe SPLURGE WILDLY, get an assortment for 15 smackers or something - LIVE a LITTLE, you'll be sawing on that stuff and cramming weird wood into weird places before you know it! Yay.

PERFECTING NECK POCKETS 101

It is VERY IMPORTANT to know EXACTLY WHAT you're trying to do. How much off, from where, what's the new angle RELATIVE to the old one. This is where you have a MONSTROUS advantage over the li'l techwads at Gender & Fibson, in that THEY have to work to assembly-line spec, YOU just have to fit YOUR neck onto YOUR body. YOU can make a guitar that, in that regard, is BETTER than Feckenbaker and Iballacorkelly can EVER be, at least until someone executes the SAME kind of anal/compulsive obsession with perfection. A Win-Win scenario!

If it's needed , I  will SHIM a neck if it's brand-new, because the neck is inevitably going to settle-in for a few seasonal changes, "Plek'ing" a new guitar is a bit silly in that regard. If they were SERIOUS they'd include a CERTIFICATE to get it Plek'd after a YEAR or two, shipping to-and-fro included. A MAJOR reason old guitars (CAN!) play extremely well is that they have gotten ALL the adolescent micro-warpy fidgiting OVER WITH, mebbe the TWO times needed, mebbe even the micro-precision doo-dah that comes with the THIRD round through all the details.... And THEN, and ONLY then, they began to play with the righteous authority of... PERFECTION! So a righteously leveled/crown n' polish'd - AND SETTLED - bugger will STAY rightous.

(Having PERFECT things in your life is a necessary and BIG step towards self-autonomy. Or at least, when your betters (there is ALWAYS one somewhere) picks up YOUR guitar and begins to rip out ridiculously-gleamy hot shit, YOU, at least, now KNOW why your music sucks. And it AIN'T the git... :sad1:

A year in, the proper shim will give you an EXTREMELY accurate notion of what wood needs to be atomized where. AND: the turtle is a godsend, you just have to decide if you're decapitating heads or loppin' off his feets. But the depth of the turtle is stamped haphazardly. To get depth gauges efficiently, use a drill bit, 1/8", 3/32", whatever, and run a few shallow divots into the wood of the pocket, just for eyeball-measuring the relative re-angling you do. NO IT'S NOT "PRECIOUS" friggin' "tonewood." You've removed like TWO CUBIC MILLIMETERS of wood to help make your guitar be EVER-PERFECTER than poor Leo's.

And then, Bingo! Tora! Tora! Tora! "I regret that I have but one life to nar, nar nar...."
50 grit we/dry paper, "Gator Grip" right now. You KNOW what angle you need and how to take off enough wood to do it, just wail away! The 50-grit stuff is POWERFUL, stop - a  LOT - check what you're doing with:

A) the neck AND the body, and your great, reliable:

B) straight, straight, straight edge; of COURSE you do...(?) I use drafting tools, cheap, perfect.

C) Whatever facsimile of "bridge height" and "nut height" (from the GROOVE not the TOP of nut!)

Put the bridge on, Tape? whatever. By this stage I have mebbe a dozen "Fender" nuts, different heights, different gauges*, you'll figure out something... I do OCCASIONALLY sacrifice a low and a high string, too, but:

The Heavily-PIMPED, Strictly-ORDERED, SHAMEFUL ATROCITY! 0f  throwing AWAY a billion or so strings while you do setups, because you've been CONNED by... well, shit I used to LIKE "PREMIER GUITAR" before their transformation into just another Floating-Ass Palace Of Purveyor Pimpery....(F.A.P.O.P.P.) Dammit. Dagnabbit....

FAPOPP??? Put a CAPO on the strings at the 2nd fret, loosen the strings; if you've got pickguard controls there are limits, be careful - but opportunities abound! YOU CAN DO ALL THIS SHIT WITHOUT RUINING STRINGS. I have written PREMIE-GIT about it SO-OO SO-OO many times, squawked exclusively happy, sad, funny, evil - yet their instructions remain the same, thoughtless, lazy, EEEVVV-ILLLE. :dontknow:  :sad1: :o :evil4:
The corners of the Pockets -  The ends! Trot down to the hardware store/Ebay and get two Stanley wood chisels, 1/4" and 3/8." You will use them forever or the rest of your life, whichever comes first. This'ms:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-Stanley-Wood-Chisels-3-8-10MM-1-4-6mm-16-904-16-903-BRAND-NEW-/152018904534?hash=item23650865d6:g:YpwAAOSwu1VW6qgx
They come from the factory RAZOR sharp, and unless you're wierd as me you may never even need to re-sharpened with a touch-up. But I LIKE chiselin' &... JUST KEEP CHECKING WHAT YOU DO!

A 36" "drafting tool" T-Square - $20? $22.97? Sumptin'....

CHECKING as you go... You CAN'T snork it up! you CAN'T!! (all the little grommets at Fengibackeribanechter are totally jealous...) Yes they CAN and DO grind out marvy instruments right up to the 95% complete stage. AND IT'S THE LAST 5% that counts. I swear on my monkey's BALLS that the "Fender Custom Shop" consists of some dude that goes out on the line, waits till a purdy bod goes by, hands it to the finishing guy - the REGULAR one - and says do THIS one right! The Mr. + $3,000 "Custom" guy snatches it back up, MAKES A BONER NUT, sets it up and let'er rip. + $3,000....

PLASTIC NUT = HURRIED GIT.
BONER NUT = somebody CARES. 

*(AND, by NOW, a good assortment of height-adjustment saddle screws. I did the shortening bit for a while, but the bottoms need to be re-rounded to put a CONE on the bottom end? Good luck. Durt cheep:
http://www.stratcat.biz/hardware-screws-saddle-height.shtml
 
I was worried that ol' Stubbie had died in his sleep, and no one ever found him.  Seriously.  This tutorial brings me comfort.
 
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