Lies about Warmoth on the Ed Roman guitars site

[Dan025]

anyway about ed roman, he was oppinionated. and sometimes it was logical, like the idea glue in a set neck could absorb sound energy and a bolt-on could be atleast as good as a set neck. but then he also has such a thing with fret access he bashed fender and fender like guitars. he seemed to love prs except for the old tailpieces that didn't have individual intonation because that's kinda lame. he disliked new prs because the oldones had different neck joints he thought was better. he wanted to sell you on the idea that he was the only guy who had all the pieces of the puzzle from strong all access bolt-on necks to intonating bridges to whatever... but he'd still sell you cheap import guitars at a premium. but that's enough about ed. i'm just letting you know a little about his personality. that's just how he was.

the comments from ed in the op are not really inacurate but it does show ignorance. when he said don't expect to neck to fit he meant a genuine eb neck didn't fit on a warmoth body ect. it was to aleviate confusion that i'm sure he's seen in his shop. it didn't seem he fully understood the fender replacement parts idea and that was the only neck joint warmoth uses. and the stuff about the vip being way off from a prs. well it's true. but warmoth doesn't advewrtise to be a prs replacement or competitior. it all comes back to ed's own confusion that warmoth is only a fender replacement parts dealer. the idea is that you can have a prs "looking" guitar on fender standard dimensions, not an all aftermarket prs guitar. i'm sure as a guitar tech and sales person and whatever other duties he may have had that some of this came from mis informed customers that wanted or brought him one thing or another and he had to explain why it didn't go together.

he's not the only one that is a traditionalist on fret wire. just use the stainless and ignore the know it alls.

 

[jay4321]

Ed Roman may have passed away but some of his nonsense definitely lives on. If there's a Heaven I'm sure he's criticizing cloud structure and telling people how his clouds are way better.

 

[pabloman]

Just like the forumites that sit around and bash Ed, Gibson and vintage hardware right? 

 

[thearmofbarlow]

Just like the forumites that sit around and bash Ed, Gibson and vintage hardware right?

Except that we're right.

 

[pabloman]

:icon_jokercolor: Ya, I'm sure Ed felt the same way.

 

[thearmofbarlow]

:icon_jokercolor: Ya, I'm sure Ed felt the same way.

Of course. Trolls are always right. Except when they're not me. :icon_thumright:

 

[Cederick]

weird squigly fret "true temperment" designs, because there is no such thing as a true temperment

Yes there is  :doh: http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php

I haven't tried it out myself yet but it sure does sound quite perfect on the videos I've seen.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

I love the swimming pool too. One really nice thing is it lets you remove the pickguard off a 22-fret strat without removing the neck. Can't do that with a SSS rout!

 

[Updown]

I love the swimming pool too.

Me too  :laughing7:

..... need one down here  :icon_thumright:

 

[Patriot54]

And.... this thread should be closed imho.... Ed's dead, let the guy rest in whatever peace is afforded to him in his afterlife.

That's fine if someone wants to close the thread, but like I said I wasn't attacking the guy personally and I didn't know when I started this who wrote the stuff about Warmoth. If warmoth.com wasted space on their website bashing other companies, I would've said the same thing.

 

[Dan025]

weird squigly fret "true temperment" designs, because there is no such thing as a true temperment

Yes there is  :doh: http://www.truetemperament.com/site/index.php

I haven't tried it out myself yet but it sure does sound quite perfect on the videos I've seen.

it's a mathematical imposibility. try a different tuning or chord shape and you must run into trouble. though it may be an improvement. just saying.... if bach, pythagoras and galileo's father didn't have perfect solutions how can this be perfect? i'm not suggesting it's a scam but it's just another variation on something that has been played with for a couple thousand years so take it with a grain of salt. and remember that poor temperment and intonation didn't stop thousands of hit songs from being written on conventional guitars throughout history.

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

You'd be surprised how convincingly well it comes close, close enough that the average listening ear thinks it's perfect.

As many know, Warmoth makes the necks for True Temperment, they're shipped unslotted, they take it from there.

During the brief time that I worked there just shy of a year, we had one of their necks in an office strat, and one of our sales guys took it home to do a full setup and a weekend of bench testing against recordings with keyboard tracks, and that's usually where you can find the guitar's issues in intonation.

As wierd looking at TT is, it's quite natural feeling to play, and sounds convincingly great.

 

[pabloman]

Now that's what I'm talkin about!! An opinion from someone with some experience. Beats the hell out of the guys arguing based on their interpretation of theory and how they apply it.

 

[Dan025]

Now that's what I'm talkin about!! An opinion from someone with some experience. Beats the hell out of the guys arguing based on their interpretation of theory and how they apply it.

it's not an interpretation nor an opinion, it's a simple fact. there is no mathematical solution for perfect temperament of all intervals, that's why there are so many temperaments and tempering procedures. the opinion part comes in when you say how you think it effects things in the end and i did say it may be an improvement. you can only get perfect harmonies with strings or horns that can vary pitch or specially programmed synthesizers that put the intervals in tune with the fundamental.

but my interpratation of your opinion is that my opinion doesn't matter because i have facts and deeper understanding vs opinions of people who heard something play one time long ago which has as much to do with the guy behind the frets and the tuners as the fretboard, i mean i'd never accuse Tommy Emmanuel of playing out of tune on a traditional acoustic guitar with non compensated anything.... but whatever you're entitled to that.. who am i to criticize your opinionated criticism of my opinions?

 

[pabloman]

Now that's what I'm talkin about!! An opinion from someone with some experience. Beats the hell out of the guys arguing based on their interpretation of theory and how they apply it.

it's not an interpretation nor an opinion, it's a simple fact. there is no mathematical solution for perfect temperament of all intervals, that's why there are so many temperaments and tempering procedures. the opinion part comes in when you say how you think it effects things in the end and i did say it may be an improvement. you can only get perfect harmonies with strings or horns that can vary pitch or specially programmed synthesizers that put the intervals in tune with the fundamental.

but my interpratation of your opinion is that my opinion doesn't matter because i have facts and deeper understanding vs opinions of people who heard something play one time long ago which has as much to do with the guy behind the frets and the tuners as the fretboard, i mean i'd never accuse Tommy Emmanuel of playing out of tune on a traditional acoustic guitar with non compensated anything.... but whatever you're entitled to that.. who am i to criticize your opinionated criticism of my opinions?

Are you being serious right now? I was in no way shape or form talking about you. I  apologize if you feel you fall into my statement. I too understand tuning and lack there of and even how it applies to guitar. I will look past your rant. Carry on.

 

[Wyliee]

You'd be surprised how convincingly well it comes close, close enough that the average listening ear thinks it's perfect.

As many know, Warmoth makes the necks for True Temperment, they're shipped unslotted, they take it from there.

During the brief time that I worked there just shy of a year, we had one of their necks in an office strat, and one of our sales guys took it home to do a full setup and a weekend of bench testing against recordings with keyboard tracks, and that's usually where you can find the guitar's issues in intonation.

As wierd looking at TT is, it's quite natural feeling to play, and sounds convincingly great.

I must concur with Tony's comments.  I played the TT guitar as well and was quite impressed.  That's my first-hand experience.

 

[Dan025]

Now that's what I'm talkin about!! An opinion from someone with some experience. Beats the hell out of the guys arguing based on their interpretation of theory and how they apply it.

it's not an interpretation nor an opinion, it's a simple fact. there is no mathematical solution for perfect temperament of all intervals, that's why there are so many temperaments and tempering procedures. the opinion part comes in when you say how you think it effects things in the end and i did say it may be an improvement. you can only get perfect harmonies with strings or horns that can vary pitch or specially programmed synthesizers that put the intervals in tune with the fundamental.

but my interpratation of your opinion is that my opinion doesn't matter because i have facts and deeper understanding vs opinions of people who heard something play one time long ago which has as much to do with the guy behind the frets and the tuners as the fretboard, i mean i'd never accuse Tommy Emmanuel of playing out of tune on a traditional acoustic guitar with non compensated anything.... but whatever you're entitled to that.. who am i to criticize your opinionated criticism of my opinions?

Are you being serious right now? I was in no way shape or form talking about you. I  apologize if you feel you fall into my statement. I too understand tuning and lack there of and even how it applies to guitar. I will look past your rant. Carry on.

maybe i was being grumpy, certainly overly sarcastic... seems around here a few of us are too smart for our own good and everyone doubts anything that looks like a marketing claim and for good reason. but i ussually admit that there is room for "some" truth in it but there needs to be data to make such a claim. anyway i thought i was being thrown in with the default naysaying that often happens...

while i understand the desire to try to temper out the guitar as i do it a little with the intonation myself and i'm sure "true temper" sounds good, i've also seen a video of a fan playing for Tommy Emmanuel and at first the guitar was tuned like a typical guitar player would tune and it sounded so-so as the kid was playing tommy started tuning the guitar for him and suddenly this amature guitar players music started to really shine. tommy had such a good ear he could tune another players guitar mid song for him through the chord changes and it even gave the impression to me that the playing was better after... so i think it says a lot for tuning by ear through chords rather than playing the same note on 2 strings and comparing, and without that ability i'm not sure how far weird frets will take you but i could be wrong.

we are now way off topic so carry on... i'll let the thread die like it should.

 

[pabloman]

This is an awesome forum. Intelligence is much more prevalent here than most guitar forums. Some friendly advice.....there's a fine line between being sure of yourself and being full of yourself. It isn't necessary to always prove your intellect. I had a rough start on this board because of a similar disposition. This board is full of amazing minds and they show it without trying. I love this place lets keep it friendly.

 

[Jusatele]

Ed's rants Was his marketing.
He is. Gone now
Leave it. At that.