Lies about Warmoth on the Ed Roman guitars site

[Patriot54]

I don't know if everyone is aware of this, but I happened to see this page this morning. There's at least 6 untrue things here, that should be obvious to anyone who knows Warmoth or guitars in general. I will e-mail them about this and others should do the same. Anyway, the Ed Roman custom bodies don't look that special - anyone can round off the heel or cut like a Gecko style if you just order it with no screw holes.

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"Be aware if you order a body from Warmoth. It very well may  appear to look like a BC Rich Mockingbird or a Music Man EVH or a Peavey Wolfgang.

I CAN ASSURE YOU IT WILL NOT WORK ON THE STOCK ORIGINAL GUITAR.

Many Ebay bodybuilders don't final sand the body. Which means that you will be hand sanding.

So if you think you are saving money, Think again!

A customer of mine recently brought me a Warmoth body that was supposed to be a PRS knock off. "Yeah Right"  What a Joke.  The quality was fine but the design was wacked out.

The scale was totally completely wrong and it actually had a flange sticking out of the body to bolt the neck on.

As near as I can figure all Warmoth products are basically Fenders with Fender scale & neck joints.

I say again, The Warmoth product is decent enough quality. They just the same old tired designs that all the big corporate guitar companies insist on using because they have paid so much for their trademarks."

http://www.edroman.com/customshop/bodyneck.htm

 

[JimBeed]

To keep this clean im making this quick.....

What a silly person, Warmoth are licensed by fender to do fender necks originally, of course the bodys to a certain degree using fender specs, They're allowed to.

Their custom bodies aren't anymore special than warmoth parts, I'm guessing they're probably worse.

To see the swearing vulgar annoyed pissed off version of this post.... WEll I might post it

 

[Wyliee]

Meh.....

That's been on their site for years....  It isn't entirely incorrect, either.

IMO, leave them be.  Ed passed away last year.  I hope his family and staff are doing well and I have no desire to drag their name around.

 

[Patriot54]

Meh.....

That's been on their site for years....  It isn't entirely incorrect, either.

IMO, leave them be.  Ed passed away last year.  I hope his family and staff are doing well and I have no desire to drag their name around.

Too late, but I sent them a polite e-mail. It's nothing personal but whoever runs the site should want a professional appearance. Reading stuff like that makes me want to buy more Warmoths.

 

[bagman67]

I think trying to clean up the Ed Roman site is a lost cause - Ed himself was more concerned with generating heat than light, and since his passing I think it's unlikely anyone will want to substantially edit Ed's philosophizing out of existence.  And as Eric points out, it's not wholly inaccurate - most of what's wrong with it is that it's delivered in a tone that anyone who actually understands what Warmoth does will find offensive.

 

[JaySwear]

Yeah, not only could you not convince Ed Roman of anything while he was alive, but you certainly won't now. His rants are hilarious, but his Warmoth entry here seems accurate actually haha "Fender scale?! Like PRS but with a different shape?!? High quality?" Well... Yeah that's pretty much Warmoth for you.

 

[thearmofbarlow]

Everybody knows Ed Roman's schtick. "Everything sucks but us." If he can't find a reason for something to suck, he'd just talk about the features of their product as if they were all negatives.

"Warmoth makes replacement necks that fit Fender sized pockets" translates to "Their product ONLY WORKS with Fender neck pockets."

"Warmoth offers bodies designed to fit the necks they offer" becomes "Their bodies won't accept BC Rich/EBMM/PRS/WTF necks."

It's schtick. It's marketing. Everyone knows it. Every few months a n00b will run across his website and lulz are had for a few days. Wash, rinse, repeat... ENDLESSLY. :laughing3:

 

[dmraco]

Most people knows he is an A$$.  Or was. He died about a year ago.  The site slams just about everything

 

[mullyman]

I don't care about speaking ill of the dead, he was an boom-boom. Plain and simple. I had contact with him once and he was even worse in person. I'm not the type to change colors just because someone passed away. He was a dick!
MULLY

 

[Super Turbo Deluxe Custom]

One of the mods has done all but lock the thread.  Let's move on.

 

[Doughboy]

When someone like Ed Roman bad mouths you, you can take that as a good sign that you're doing something right.

I had the misfortune of visitng Ed's store in Vegas while he was alive & I want my 1hr of wasted time back.

 

[pabloman]

I know his reputation but where are the lies? That posted quote is pretty accurate. There's a hell of a lot more serious things to get your panties in a bunch over than a dead guy saying Warmoth' (discontinued) versions of some guitars are not true replicas of their namesakes. Go feed the homeless or teach a kid to read or help an old lady across the street. Arguing with a dead guy over some out of production guitar bodies seems pretty pointless. It's cool to be a fanboy but choose your battles man.

 

[Patriot54]

Wasn't meant to be a battle - just giving some respect to Warmoth, who has a good website that cuts through all that kind of BS that I see on some other custom guitar sites. Moving on. 

 

[jackthehack]

Meh.....

That's been on their site for years....  It isn't entirely incorrect, either.

IMO, leave them be.  Ed passed away last year.  I hope his family and staff are doing well and I have no desire to drag their name around.

Spoil Sport! Bashing Ed Roman used to a popular on this board every time a new guy would find and repost that same quote....

 

[Strat Avenger]

Ed Roman had a lot of views I agree with, but then others that are a lot of B.S. like in this thread.

Warmoth never claimed to make exact copies of PRS guitars or Wolfgang guitars. Warmoth has never claimed to be anything other than what they are.

Interesting how Roman could not say anything negative about Warmoth's quality.

Another one of his B.S. rants was the one where he bashed the universal "swimming pool" pickup rout, as if that could in any way have a negative affect on tone. I personally love it and the ability to put whatever pickup I want into a guitar.

One more ridiculous rant was where he criticizes 21 and 22 fret necks, claiming that the neck pickup location produces a muddy tone, and that 24 fret necks place the neck pickup in the ideal location for optimum tone. Pure B.S.

Edit: 'Just thought of another one. Roman claimed that SS frets had a negative affect on tone as well.  LOL!!!

 

[Cederick]

I think it was Ed, but I remember some rant about Gibson being impossible to intonate because they changed scale length after the 12th fret... That's weird, since I know a guy who PLEK'd his Gibson Explorer but the staff told him it was impossible to intonate it because of that very reason.
A friend of mine gave his Gibson flying V to a proffesional guitar tech, and when he got it back the intonation was a bit off beyond 12th fret.

So I guess it's actually true... But why would Gibson do such a thing?  :tard: :sad1:

 

[Hbom]

Ed's dead.
Who cares what he said?
:rock-on:

 

[-CB-]

I think it was Ed, but I remember some rant about Gibson being impossible to intonate because they changed scale length after the 12th fret...
So I guess it's actually true... But why would Gibson do such a thing?  :tard: :sad1:

No guitar can be have its intonation set perfectly.  Earvana is a compromise.  Staggered frets also a compromise.  Angled frets, again, a compromise.  And - the best compromises are only "good" for one particular gauge of strings.

And.... this thread should be closed imho.... Ed's dead, let the guy rest in whatever peace is afforded to him in his afterlife.

 

[Cederick]

I know intonation is impossible without stuff like true temprament and stuff but does Gibson guitars really change scale after 12th fret? I really don't think so myself but others have said that... Including this Ed dude haha

 

[Dan025]

no instrument intonates perfectly.

i set intonation at the 20th fret with a capo on the 1st. it resembles a technique some piano tuners use where you use the circle of fifths except you ad an octave to tune the notes so it's a 1-3 harmony which some say is the best compromise and even believe there is some weird things in vibrating string physics called "constructive interference" that minimizes the disonant notes more than any other tempering method. i'll then tune it up also using the octave + 5th method (hold the 14th fret on the next higher string and listen for beats in the harmony) then double check things playing different diads around the neck to find the best compromise. i have far from perfect pitch or even good relative pitch but i know how to listen for beats in harmonizing notes, no special abilites required to do this by ear and if you ask me it's a better compromise and i'm not sure there are actually any special reasons like some people claim, just something that works for piano tuners so i thought i'd try it on guitars.

if you really wanted to get crazy you could custom fit a nut after the capo comes off to get the open strings in tune with a similar method and i'd like to compare this to any weird squigly fret "true temperment" designs, because there is no such thing as a true temperment. the math doesn't allow for it and strings don't even harmonize with themselves perfectly because of a phenomenon called harmonic stretch which would make things difficult even if you could really could get a percfectly tempered note system.

it's been a problem since the time of Pythagoras who had one compromise and it's been worked on by vincenzo galilei (the father of galileo galilei) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vincenzo_Galilei and it is believed bach and other composers had their own studies into tunings and temperments and may have had different tunings to go best with different pieces. and it's an ongoing study today where people are constantly coming up with systems that add more notes or tune to different harmonics to reduce the compromises. yet no matter how imperfect it has never stopped musicians from creating beautiful pieces. i think the short comings of the musical system and each instrument come together to create the musical style that best suits the instrument. there has even been studies into architecture and how that defines the music that sounds best in  certain venue.