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jazzmaster ideas (mockups included) help me decide!!

BigSteve22 said:
How the hell do you patent cream colored bobbins or the abbreviation for Patent Applied For?  :dontknow:

Yeah...  I think most would agree that it is completely absurd.  But they did...  Here is my 2014 Gibson 335 Lemonburst, with factory standard DiMarzio PAF's (DP103) in double cream.

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Axkoa said:

I agree Axkoa, that is a mighty fine axe...  As of late, I seem to have a thing for white guitars with gold hardware...
 
BigSteve22 said:
How the hell do you patent cream colored bobbins or the abbreviation for Patent Applied For?  :dontknow:

You can't, so they didn't get a patent. They got a trademark, which is different.

Patents are a government-sanctioned monopoly awarded to an entity that confers ownership of a new, unique design or invention which protects the owner from competition for a given length of time. Currently, that's 17 years from date of issue or 20 years from date of application.

Trademarks are not necessarily new or unique. They're simply words, graphics or arrangements that are registered as being associated with a particular company. They're usually unique, but not always. For instance, we all know "windows" as those openings on your house that let in bugs or allow you to throw aggravating/dysfunctional computers out of. But, Microsoft named their operating system after them (most likely to remind people where to throw the invariably bug-infested computers that use it) and trademarked the name, its appearance, and the associated logo. Now you can't name anything computer-related "Windows" unless you want an army of lawyers to latch onto you like a deranged starving pit bull and sue you into insolvency.

So, while DiMarzio didn't invent their pickup color scheme or the PAF reference to it, they (and the USPTO) did feel that there was a recognizable association there that deserved commercial protection.

It seems beyond silly now, but as you may or may not recall, back in the '70s Lawrence DiMarzio was one of the first aftermarket pickup manufacturers, along with Seymour Duncan. They pretty much had the field to themselves for a while, and were doing quite well with it. Success breeds competition, and here we are today with 187,322 different pickup manufacturers out there who all make a PAF that "really, really sounds like a PAF! No, really!"

Of course, the first order of business for any successful company with two uncommitted nickels to rub together is to prevent the development of other successful companies in the same field. Patents and trademarks work well for that, and being government sanctioned, they're particularly useful and powerful tools.  Outside of death, in a country where litigation is more popular than marriage, few things are quite as frightening as a lawyer with a 7 figure retainer and no leash. So, DiMarzio trademarked the coil color scheme and abbreviation to prevent their competition from using them. It sorta worked, in that nobody else is using that color scheme or abbreviation. That it prevented or even slowed down anyone else from gaining market share is ludicrous. What did happen is their name gets dragged around in the mud from time to time (like now) for not working and playing well with others.

Oddly enough, trademarks were never intended to protect a company's bottom line. They were created to protect the consumer. They identify a product as only available from a known source, so good, bad or indifferent, you can predict a level of quality and performance. For example, a lot of companies make screwdrivers. But, there's a lotta difference in their quality, so you don't want to be tricked into buying one that says "Craftsman" when it's actually made by "Stevie's Stampings" out of something that only resembles steel.
 
Thanks for everyone's input! I was attracted to the white and gold scheme for a while but honestly my favorite color is green, and there's just not enough green guitars out there...so I'm gonna go with shamrock green.

Speaking of which, anyone have pics of shamrock green? I can't find any in the showcase and there's like only one pic in the gallery. A side-by-side comparison with sherwood green would be cool too. Again, thanks everyone for your help!
 
hchoe741 said:
Thanks for everyone's input! I was attracted to the white and gold scheme for a while but honestly my favorite color is green, and there's just not enough green guitars out there...so I'm gonna go with shamrock green.

Speaking of which, anyone have pics of shamrock green? I can't find any in the showcase and there's like only one pic in the gallery. A side-by-side comparison with sherwood green would be cool too. Again, thanks everyone for your help!

It's helped me before with colours, just Google (Colour name) Warmoth. "Sherwood Green Warmoth" : https://www.google.com.au/search?q=sherwood+green+warmoth&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSydPy-6LRAhVJG5QKHdN8AIsQ_AUICCgB&biw=2560&bih=1370
 
Axkoa said:
hchoe741 said:
Thanks for everyone's input! I was attracted to the white and gold scheme for a while but honestly my favorite color is green, and there's just not enough green guitars out there...so I'm gonna go with shamrock green.

Speaking of which, anyone have pics of shamrock green? I can't find any in the showcase and there's like only one pic in the gallery. A side-by-side comparison with sherwood green would be cool too. Again, thanks everyone for your help!

It's helped me before with colours, just Google (Colour name) Warmoth. "Sherwood Green Warmoth" : https://www.google.com.au/search?q=sherwood+green+warmoth&client=firefox-b-ab&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSydPy-6LRAhVJG5QKHdN8AIsQ_AUICCgB&biw=2560&bih=1370

Thanks!! I'm liking shamrock more, sherwood green is a lil blue..
Now to look for someone who makes custom neck plates
 
hchoe741 said:
I was attracted to the white and gold scheme for a while but honestly my favorite color is green, and there's just not enough green guitars out there...so I'm gonna go with shamrock green.

Are you going to paint it yourself? Reason I ask is when I did the L5S I wanted British Racing Green, but couldn't find a recipe that I knew would work with my limited mixing skills. Then I realized I didn't need for it to be exact, as I wasn't color matching to an existing piece - I was shooting the whole top. So, I could mix by eye until I was happy, then hose 'er down. It's pretty close. If I were to tell people it's BRG they'd believe me, even though it's actually "Cagey Green". And don't ask for the recipe because only me and one curious spider knew it, and I've forgotten it while the spider's dead (I had to do it - he knew too much).

Anyway, the point is don't pop an aneurysm trying to nail a shade, mix it yourself until you're happy and call it a love story.
 
hchoe741 said:
Thanks for everyone's input! I was attracted to the white and gold scheme for a while but honestly my favorite color is green, and there's just not enough green guitars out there...so I'm gonna go with shamrock green.
Good choice. Looking forward to it.
 
Cagey said:
hchoe741 said:
I was attracted to the white and gold scheme for a while but honestly my favorite color is green, and there's just not enough green guitars out there...so I'm gonna go with shamrock green.

Are you going to paint it yourself? Reason I ask is when I did the L5S I wanted British Racing Green, but couldn't find a recipe that I knew would work with my limited mixing skills. Then I realized I didn't need for it to be exact, as I wasn't color matching to an existing piece - I was shooting the whole top. So, I could mix by eye until I was happy, then hose 'er down. It's pretty close. If I were to tell people it's BRG they'd believe me, even though it's actually "Cagey Green". And don't ask for the recipe because only me and one curious spider knew it, and I've forgotten it while the spider's dead (I had to do it - he knew too much).

Anyway, the point is don't pop an aneurysm trying to nail a shade, mix it yourself until you're happy and call it a love story.

I bought one of those saga guitar kits years ago and tried finishing it myself, if my memory serves me right it did not turn out good..so gonna let warmoth handle the finish, and I'm liking their shamrock finish a lot
 
Good choice. Warmoth finishes are not only excellent, they're a bargain. That's a nice shade of green, too. Did you see the Candy Green? To me, that's more of a metallic than the metallic. Looks like anodized aluminum. The metallic finishes are more of a fine flake that isn't obvious from the pictures, and the flake finishes are over-the-top carnival rides. I've had a metallic black cherry Tele here I've been trying to get rid of for years because I don't care for the "metallic" presentation. But, that's just me.
 
Cagey said:
Good choice. Warmoth finishes are not only excellent, they're a bargain. That's a nice shade of green, too. Did you see the Candy Green? To me, that's more of a metallic than the metallic. Looks like anodized aluminum. The metallic finishes are more of a fine flake that isn't obvious from the pictures, and the flake finishes are over-the-top carnival rides. I've had a metallic black cherry Tele here I've been trying to get rid of for years because I don't care for the "metallic" presentation. But, that's just me.

I'll have to take a look, thx for sharing your knowledge.
 
Very cool, I'm partial to the white, and I love the rev headstock...That's sorta my think... :party07:
 
Frown said:
No inlay fretboard and Hipshot bridges are cool!  :laughing7:

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Did you have to send the hipshot bridge to warmoth for them to rout for it? How do you like the 1-3/4 nut width? It seems great for my chubby fingers, but I'm worried that the e strings will be too close to the edge in the higher register of the neck.

btw, been creeping through your threads, love your builds!
 
A 1 3/4" nut is only 1/16" wider than a 1 11/16", which if the strings are evenly spaced, only adds about 1/64" to the open space on the outside of the high and low E strings. It feels a lot bigger than it is. The edge clearance up the neck is determined more by the bridge. Since the neck heel is always 2 3/16", the string spacing at the bridge should be 2 1/8, which translates to about 2 1/16 in the upper neck.
 
hchoe741 said:
Frown said:
No inlay fretboard and Hipshot bridges are cool!  :laughing7:

warmoth-jazzmaster-01.jpg

Did you have to send the hipshot bridge to warmoth for them to rout for it? How do you like the 1-3/4 nut width? It seems great for my chubby fingers, but I'm worried that the e strings will be too close to the edge in the higher register of the neck.

btw, been creeping through your threads, love your builds!

Hi hchoe741, No, I didn't send a bridge to Warmoth, just put a request on the order form online for a Hipshot hardtail rout - they do it for a small upcharge and I'd had one done on my Pau Ferro Tele, so knew it would be sorted.

As for the wider nut, I like it as I have reasonably large hands and fingers, with the fatback contour, it's plenty to grip on to, while still have room to place finger tips without accidentally rolling on to other strings... I've had no issues with E strings trying to escape - either top or bottom, so you should be fine!  :icon_thumright:

Thanks for checking out my rambling build posts too!  :laughing7:

I'm also intrigued as to how this new Jazzmaster build of yours will turn out...  :icon_biggrin:
 
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