Interesting neck joint

[t.coyle]

Hey everyone,

I was looking around the net a while ago and i found a site called for a brand of guitar called U.S. Masters. The main thing that I noticed is the neck joint and pocket design that they have looked really interesting to me. It would be nice if warmoth offered an option like this as it seems like it would at the very least be pretty comfortable. I would have put a suggestion in the suggestion box but I know warmoth is meant to be fender compatible so they wouldnt be doing anything like this. But I was just gonna post it here to see if you guys liked it or just think its a bunch of crap. heres the link

http://www.usmasters.com/Overview.htm

also just found a youtube video of it(the guy has an awesome accent)
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g69yeh1HeHw[/youtube]

 

[TonyFlyingSquirrel]

Interesting design, but if you're going to go to that extra bit of labor, and it is indeed going to be, you might as well do a true set-neck or neck through.

The whole idea behind bolt on neck to begin with was for manufacturing efficiency & profitability.

Althought it sounds like an interesting concept from an engineering standpoint, it is no longer profitable & efficient to produce as a bolt on.

 

[t.coyle]

I agree with what you said and it does seem like it would be alot of work to get it to fit right and retool and probably is not cost effective. The only reason i mentioned it here is because warmoth doesnt offer set necks so I just figured some people might like to see a different kind of bolt on method. I Would rather purchase a warmoth any day though because (I know looks arnet everything) there headstocks and logo look butt ugly to me. Also im not sure of the adjusting wheel at the bottom of the neck, seems like it would push the neck pickup further away from the butt of the neck.

 

[Schlieren]

Yeah those headstocks aren't pretty and even before that having the dots not centered like that is just... just no.  But that's a nifty way to set the neck, one imagines...

 

[t.coyle]

TonyFlyingSquirrel,

Also I understand that a company like Fender would not do it. But a company like Warmoth could because they offer lots of options that require extra work for an up charge. I was meaning it'd be nice for smaller custom companies that offer lots of options for an up charge like Warmoth. I am sorry for not saying more clearly what I meant.

Also it probably would sound different than a standard Fender joint but I don't know if someone wants a bolt on type instrument that they would want it to be set neck. I meant to say people going after custom instruments. Also I like the idea of the stainless steel inserts(I striped out the mounting holes in one of my guitars and don't have the money or tools to fix it  ) I'm just a beginning guitarist though so consider that when reading my comments. I don't mean to argue with your point but thats just how my simpleton brain works, thanks for replying

 

[chrisg]

I think a problem could be that they say the design is patented - unless Warmoth get a licence, and that could cost them a lot of money, then they won't be able to produce the same design.

 

[DangerousR6]

Yeah those headstocks aren't pretty and even before that having the dots not centered like that is just... just no.  But that's a nifty way to set the neck, one imagines...

I agree and disagree, I love the guitar,especially the finish and the fretboard with the offset markers. But the headstock is...

With all that time and effort into the neck joit, they could have put a little extra into a headstock design too....I'm just sayin'.. :dontknow:

 

[-CB-]

That joint offers no mechanical advantage whatsoever over the standard neck joint.  If the step were in the other direction, then it would.

This is smoke and mirrors engineering.

 

[DangerousR6]

That joint offers no mechanical advantage whatsoever over the standard neck joint.   If the step were in the other direction, then it would.

This is smoke and mirrors engineering.

Uhuh, it does too, he can hold without neck screws..... :icon_biggrin:

 

[t.coyle]

Thanks for the input =CB=  but what do you mean in the other direction? im sure you know what your talking about i just dont understand, do you mean it would actually make a difference if the body had a part coming out as apposed to the neck? sorry im confused on that

 

[TJD]

DAAAAAAAAAAAA Bearssssssssss............DAAAAAAAA Bullsssssss. Dika too.

 

[erogenousjones17]

I'm confused. How would a tab in the other direction do anything?

 

[-CB-]

As it sits, when the strings tighten up, it will pull the neck tab off the body tab, in the direction of the string pull.  Other than to fit that tab tightly, for show and "look at how tight it is", and hey it wont fall off when no screws are in it... there's no use when strings are attached.

What they're doing is fitting it tight - easy to do when there's no load applied.  Put 125lbs of string pull on that joint and the heel of the neck will settle into the body pocket a little and the tabbed part will no longer be tight.

If the tab were a shoulder to pull the neck onto... when the force of the strings is applied, then you'd have something.  But then they'd lose the "hey it wont come off" effect.

If the heel and body pocket are made well, thats all the shoulder you'd need.  You could do a gunstock type bedding if you wanted... you could do a lot, but ... I dont think you'd find any improvement over Leo's take on the joint.

 

[DangerousR6]

As it sits, when the strings tighten up, it will pull the neck tab off the body tab, in the direction of the string pull.  Other than to fit that tab tightly, for show and "look at how tight it is", and hey it wont fall off when no screws are in it... there's no use when strings are attached.

What they're doing is fitting it tight - easy to do when there's no load applied.  Put 125lbs of string pull on that joint and the heel of the neck will settle into the body pocket a little and the tabbed part will no longer be tight.

If the tab were a shoulder to pull the neck onto... when the force of the strings is applied, then you'd have something.  But then they'd lose the "hey it wont come off" effect.

If the heel and body pocket are made well, thats all the shoulder you'd need.  You could do a gunstock type bedding if you wanted... you could do a lot, but ... I dont think you'd find any improvement over Leo's take on the joint.

I was being sarcastic.... :icon_jokercolor:

But not saying what you are saying isn't true, because it is. But the point he's making in the video is there is no lateral movement, however, as you pointed out once the string tension is on the neck and joint, the snug fit of those two surfaces will still seperate ever so slightly. Depending on exactly how tight of a fit there is at the radius end of the neck in the pocket.. :dontknow:

 

[t.coyle]

DAAAAAAAAAAAA Bearssssssssss............DAAAAAAAA Bullsssssss. Dika too.

Gotta love classic SNL.

So i guess the tab isnt usefull but it still looks kind comfy a bit like an Ibanez

 

[erogenousjones17]

As it sits, when the strings tighten up, it will pull the neck tab off the body tab, in the direction of the string pull.  Other than to fit that tab tightly, for show and "look at how tight it is", and hey it wont fall off when no screws are in it... there's no use when strings are attached.

What they're doing is fitting it tight - easy to do when there's no load applied.  Put 125lbs of string pull on that joint and the heel of the neck will settle into the body pocket a little and the tabbed part will no longer be tight.

If the tab were a shoulder to pull the neck onto... when the force of the strings is applied, then you'd have something.  But then they'd lose the "hey it wont come off" effect.

If the heel and body pocket are made well, thats all the shoulder you'd need.  You could do a gunstock type bedding if you wanted... you could do a lot, but ... I dont think you'd find any improvement over Leo's take on the joint.

Oh yeah, that's true. Now I see your point.