Impatience!
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Updown said:
Should be very interesting. I ordered a telecaster body on the 27th. Not sure if I will get it before Christmas. It would be nice, as it will be a nice present, and I can put it all together in the few days I have off between then and New Years.
UPS to Melbourne Australia is pretty quick, within 2 days of it being shipped it's here. :-\
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Needs a Turbo Deluxe Floyd said:
A skilled luthier I know from TalkBass made a bass in 10 days. That's a pile of wood to a finished and playable instrument in 10 days. I didn't expect him to be able to pull off finishing work within that time frame, but he did it! (Though I suspect the finish is not great. It takes time to do a proper finish that will last.)
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line6man said:
What about 60 to 100? I'm.guessing at numbers, and of course W has more than one employee, and there's batching issues too, but you get the point.
There are all kinds of labor efficiency studies done by bean counters everywhere. It takes 1000 man hours to build a house, but if you had 1000 guys, they couldn't build it in an hour. 500 couldn't build it in 2 hours. For the guy making one in 10 days. If I were 3rd in line, would I have mine in 30 days? What if he built 3 at a time, would we all have ours in 30 days?
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Speaking of impatience..
How long from credit card being charged to quantum view? Not to rub salt in a wound, I ordered a neck with no finish on the 25th, they charged my card on Friday, 12th.
Finish is such an ironic word. Its the one job that seems like it will never end, and that you can't speed up.
How long from credit card being charged to quantum view? Not to rub salt in a wound, I ordered a neck with no finish on the 25th, they charged my card on Friday, 12th.
Finish is such an ironic word. Its the one job that seems like it will never end, and that you can't speed up.
Needs a Turbo Deluxe Floyd said:
I built three at a time when I did mine. Not including jigs and such, that Warmoth would already have done, I don't think working on 3 at a time saved me barely anytime at all. The only time it did was when one was drying from paint I could go do something else. You can't really speed up past having one man on each task. Not unless you start having multiple machines, i.e more than one bandsaw. I don't think Warmoth has so much floor space that they can run like that. As a quick example. Say a guitar takes 40 man hours to build and there are 10 steps in the build process. To make it easy assume all tasks take the same amount of time. That means each task takes 4 hours. That means if you have one guy working you finish 1 guitar in a work week. Now add another 9 people. That first guitar still takes one week to get done, but now you have another 9 guitars done. Adding an 11th guy won't speed things up since he would just get in the way of another person. That and they will be working on one type of thing at a time. My first guitar had a custom body done. It got done faster than they said it would. I imagine that was because by the luck of the draw when I ordered they happened to be working on tele bodies at the time.
the first 2 W bodies I ordered were finished, I almost forgot about the second one by the time it arrived!!
since then, I learned that ordering an unfinished body (custom or showcase) and finishing it yourself is much more fun.. oh and the waiting time will be cut in half!
since then, I learned that ordering an unfinished body (custom or showcase) and finishing it yourself is much more fun.. oh and the waiting time will be cut in half!
swarfrat said:
Hey swarfrat,
well, I had ordere mine at the 20th October and my card got charged at the same day, suppsed ship out around middle of January.......
Hey Updown,
Updown said:
Funny we ordered our stuffs at the same day...... Let's see, who will get it first. Probably you, though, since I had all these extra special wishes...
Bye JULIA
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Good things come to those who wait. The wait was excruciating for me. I'm also impatient, but when my parts showed up, it was like the best Xmas I ever had...in the middle of April or May. :toothy12:
Anyway, I feel your pain once again, because for probably the next month, I will be "Warmothless." As most here know, I had been very unhappy with the finish on my guitar and the way the issue was handled when I called them with concerns. Recently, I spoke with someone at Warmoth and he offered an apology and wanted an opportunity to instill my confidence in Warmoth as a company. That being said, I can say from personal experience that Warmoth does care about they're customers, even customers from over two years ago, and that's the type of company I like to do business with.
That being said, there is another Warmoth guitar in my future, however, my next one will either be a Jackson Custom Shop Star (neck-through) or a Jackson Custom Shop Warrior (neck-through).
Ya know, Warmoth, it would be wonderful if you'd offer neck-through options, because I wouldn't need to go through Jackson. HINT, HINT. :cool01:
Anyway, I feel your pain once again, because for probably the next month, I will be "Warmothless." As most here know, I had been very unhappy with the finish on my guitar and the way the issue was handled when I called them with concerns. Recently, I spoke with someone at Warmoth and he offered an apology and wanted an opportunity to instill my confidence in Warmoth as a company. That being said, I can say from personal experience that Warmoth does care about they're customers, even customers from over two years ago, and that's the type of company I like to do business with.
That being said, there is another Warmoth guitar in my future, however, my next one will either be a Jackson Custom Shop Star (neck-through) or a Jackson Custom Shop Warrior (neck-through).
Ya know, Warmoth, it would be wonderful if you'd offer neck-through options, because I wouldn't need to go through Jackson. HINT, HINT. :cool01:
Neck-through-body "blanks" are available out there, but it requires a whole other level of skill that's needed to take care of the alignment issues. My impression of them is that the truss rods that are available as stock from LMII, Stew-Mac, and Warmoth may need to be longer for the neck-through construction. There's a difference of opinion as to how to handle the fret height from the 15th fret or so on up - some people like "fall-away" and some don't. But one thing's for sure, if your build comes out zoinked up there, with a neck-through the whole guitar is zoinked, and with a bolt-on all you may need to do is reset the neck pocket angle. Carvin sells their necks with the body extension on it, but then you have to deal with their shred-sized neck.
http://www.carvinguitars.com/necks/guitarneckthrough.php
http://www.carvinguitars.com/necks/guitarneckthrough.php
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StubHead said:
Not sure what the body extension kit is, as I've never really looked at Carvin's kits. I'm not sure of the level of skill it takes to set up alignment of a neck-through design, but what is being aligned? If a neck-through option is available, is the alignment to do with the neck or the wings attached to the neck? Couldn't the bodies already come assembed, and all the customer or a builder would need to do is install the electronics and perform the basic setup?
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A widely known but rarely voiced secret is that most mass market "guitars" are actually "kits" shipped pre-assembled with starter hardware and electronics. That way you can replace the items you care the most about first, while continuing to play it.
I do not care at all for neck thru, but if I did, I'd be all over the carvin necks.
I do not care at all for neck thru, but if I did, I'd be all over the carvin necks.
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swarfrat said:
I LOVE neck-throughs. I swore by bolt-on necks until I picked up this 2003 Jackson USA "Select Series" KV2. I am IN LOVE with the neck.
I think a neck-through has a very distinctive feel to it that you just don't get with a bolt-on. I can't explain it, but there's just a solidity to it, or something. I can't exactly put my finger on what it is, but it's just a "feeling." :dontknow:
I keep hearing about how fantastic Carvin necks are, and I'm dying for a neck-through V220, but I'm very apprehensive about purchasing something, as I've never played one. I've never even seen a Carvin guitar, other than in some photos.
I'm very certain my next guitar will be a Jackson Custom Shop Warrior or Star with the same "Speed Neck" my KV2 has. Unfortunately, the "Speed Neck" is not the standard neck on a Warrior, otherwise, I'd be all over a "basic" USA Select Series Warrior.
If a V220 has a neck which comes out to VERY SIMILAR to that of Jackson's "Speed Neck," I'll be all over it very quickly...
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Torment Leaves Scars said:
I've seen and played several of them, and have bought a couple of their necks. It's nice stuff. Component quality, workmanship, fit & finish, etc. are all superb. The only real questions left are whether you'd like they way they feel or sound. Unfortunately, those are pretty big issues, which is probably why they're not a lot more popular than they are. Try as they might, feel and sound can't be effectively translated to words, so the mail-order model doesn't work as well as it does for fixed goods such as hardware. If people could get their paws on the instruments, they'd probably win a lot of taste tests against the major OEMs.
They do have a liberal return policy, but that's still a pain in the shorts. Who wants to goof around with all that silliness? Better to be able to try thing on for size before you start plunking down money. Problem is, retail dealers want to see at least a 50% mark-up or it's not worth the investment for them to stock the things. Do that, and Carvin loses a substantial competitive edge.
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Cagey said:
You're exactly right. The thing is that a lot of people aren't gonna buy the car without the test drive, and I'm one of those people. Carvin needs to expand their network, even if you can only get them at Carvin-only venues (kinda like the Apple Store...).
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All the neck through's I've played were really really harsh, what I'd call ice-pick harsh except just a shade lower frequency than that, but not low enough to be honk or nasal. Probably as much to do with the fact that neck through generally means Maple + Maple (and usually overwound ceramic passives, or EMG-81's - which lead me to suspect that the people they build these for actually LIKE ice picks shredding their ears. I suspect these people could actually be happy playing Tele's into high gain amps if they had never seen Buck Owens.)
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swarfrat said:
The one thing I notice about my neck-through that I don't get with the others is this "harmonic" that just seems to ring and ring and ring, but only on a few frets after the 12th. It's very strange, almost like a "resonance." :icon_scratch: I don't get that with any of my bolt-on necked guitars.
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