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No, not this one. unless people really wish to get rid of me  :icon_scratch: I'm talking about the dutch guitar-forum, one of the biggest, if not the biggest, dutch-spoken boards.

As some of you know, I'm a major les paul-fan. Not (only) the player, but the guitar(model). In my opinion, its (for me!) the most versatile guitar, and also its the prettiest guitar, imho. Not to start a debate about that ;)

Also, I think of myself as quite the les paul-knower. There are many more people who know a LOT (more) about the les paul, but I know quite a bit about it, more than the average player (on that board), and I also know quite a bit about the background of the les paul, the construction, the history of Gibson, the current way of building, the wood choices gibsons makes, and I also am capable of pairing that up to, lets say, warmoth's way, or PRS, or Hamer.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out that gibson makes inherently inferior instruments to all the 3 aforementioned companies. Drilling holes in the mahogany backs to relief weight, and only for that purpose (or so they say, its ofcourse an economical reason: if people wanna have a solid LP, they are FORCED to buy customshop, and ps: there's nothing custom about the CS). That smells like crap, in my opinion. People should have all the options and al the choices, and if you don't wanna do that, don't market them as the industries standard, or the best guitar in the world, etc etc, all the bullcrap we have come to know from Gibson.

The mediocre level of intelligence is giving me trouble not to illustrate Gibson's flaws and issues. Nevertheless, when (I'm) asked for (to), I will answer, in full detail, with all the sources I know off, which are quite elaborate.

I find it curious that providing information about this subject is reason enough for a ban of the board. Someone was personally offended when I told that Gibson doesn't use south american mahogany, but Phillipines mahogany. Source: gibson employee. I get scrutinized by people there, personal attacks, whilst I try to stay neutral, and just providing facts.

This proves for me, once more, that the level of development has come to a halt in the Netherlands. Its a shock to see that people don't know the word 'finesse', instead, they mix it up with the dutch word of fatal (which is 'funest' by the way).

Back to Gibson. They 'invented' (developed) the les paul, great, lovely.But now, 60 years later, there's little left of the original. Mahogany has become meranti, dalbergia negra has become some indian replacement (fine one though, but not remotely like the old RW!), hardrock maple has become sycamore, fine too, but not maple!, PAF's which has 42 AWG and alnico2 magnets, or just strong A5 magnets, have been replaced with those dreadful burstbuckers, classic 57's or any other crap gibson has produced.

Fender has stayed more true than Gibson, delivering more stable products and quality than Gibson, to name their biggest adversary, 60 years ago.

I find it just strange, plain and simple, that I get banned just because I place major questionmarks at Gibson's production, R&R and sales department, all under the pretence of having excremented foul language.
 
Orpheo,

is that forum run by Gibson?

You say that gibson is using sycamore indtead of hard rock maple..what body parts do they use this wood on?

I dont think anyone here would want you off this forum. stick around dude! :hello2:

Brian
 
bpmorton777 said:
Orpheo,

is that forum run by Gibson?

You say that gibson is using sycamore indtead of hard rock maple..what body parts do they use this wood on?

I dont think anyone here would want you off this forum. stick around dude! :hello2:

Brian

Sycamore is another 'type' of maple, more associated with softer types. hard maple is really, really hard, as we all know here, right, cause most of us build guitars, oh well, assemble ;) but sycamore is more soft. it translates in a warm tone with a strange midrange. just like the tone gibson lespauls delive, just like the one  we all came to love.

and no, it's got nothing to do with gibson ;) :P nor with any brand for that matters.

@Mark o: indeed, the mods don't follow a straight line, and whenever one of the hardcore clan gets attacked there, the mods intervien, and the basher gets bashed... well, I am not a basher of persons, but of gear...
 
If (hopefully when) I build my Warmoth Les Paul, I do intent to reread every thread by the great Orpheo.  :-)
 
lafromla1 said:
You mean your Dutch?  :laughing11:

yes, I'm dutch ;)



this is btw a pic of sycamore. (the attached one)

this is meranti:

meranti.jpg


as we all can see, its CLOSE to mahogany, but it is not real, genuine mahogany.

this is, though.

mahogany.jpg


sycamore will flame easier, but to keep the flame 'alive', you need a dye job, not just spraying a colored lacquer over the wood.

not to mention the bullshit regarding Gibsons 'nitro' finishes.
 
taez555 said:
If (hopefully when) I build my Warmoth Les Paul, I do intent to reread every thread by the great Orpheo.  :-)
:headbang1: :party07: :rock-on: :redflag: :hello2: :occasion14:



no, just kiddin'. if you buy a warmoth LP, you're getting a more genuine les paul than gibson will ever do. the bolt on warmoth does, is more accurate than the glued in Gibson does, just imagine how 'wrong' their joint is! too much glue, not enough contactsurfaces, wrong surfaces, not enough wood (on wood)... and besides being more cheap, they play and sound better. A guy on that forum called my warmoth les pauls 'dinkytoys', toy-guitar, not real, etc etc. just to emphasise his GREAT collection of guitars. only fender, gibson and PRS. well, I played his ES355 lifeson sig, and his R8. my collection is as much as these 2, and they all sound better, play better, look better, better details, beter finishing. his lifeson had the volute halfway the first fret. He didn't want to acknowlegde that fact. Well, then I can oly shake my head, and head off,right?
 
Well, yeah, that sucks! It's a shame that some other folks can't deal with reality. While it's easy to say, "Aww forget 'em. they suck" If must still feel wierd.
About Gibbby: It IS hard to find the "right" Gibson. Out of all the guitars I've played, borrowed or bought, I only kept three. Well really two, 'casue one was my dad's.
Apparently that forum was just a clique. At least it aint as bad as the ESP forum! That place is ruff!

Totally un-related...I have SUPER deja vu about this...is my mind breaking down? I wouldn't be suprised.
 
Well - I have lurked around this forum for a while. And have just voluntary left a guitarforum i Denmark.

I think many forums reach a degree of "forum-tiredness" after a while - that while depending on how broad the general subject is.

But to topic here: Forums are for discussions and anyone should be entitled to speak their opinion - the freedom of speech. If anyone else thinks opinions stated are wrong or misinterpreted then they must engage the discussion.

Banning people for speaking their opinion is just plain wrong.

cheers!  
 
Dude, there's dumbasses everywhere... the general rule of thumb with *any* (and I mean any) forum
is, either fit in (this can involve spouting the local groupthink; which may or may not be factual), or be shunned.

But really - who cares?  Let stoopit be stoopit... F 'em all.  :toothy10:
 
Absolutely Warmoth is at least as good, and most likely better than a short tenon swiss cheesed Paul. For a Les Pual built the old way, with premium woods, long tenon, premium finish which means a Custom Shop guitars  would cost  now , what, 5000- 8000? I had no idea they were doing that stuff with wood though. Thats sick. Not the good sick, the bad sick.
Ditch those loosers!~
 
I'll save my usual marketing rant for another time, but F-em.
Getting shunned for BS reasons is annoying though.

When you get into "building/assembling" you just look at things from a whole different angle.

James
 
Orpheo said:
No, not this one. unless people really wish to get rid of me  :icon_scratch: I'm talking about the dutch guitar-forum, one of the biggest, if not the biggest, dutch-spoken boards.

As some of you know, I'm a major les paul-fan. Not (only) the player, but the guitar(model). In my opinion, its (for me!) the most versatile guitar, and also its the prettiest guitar, imho. Not to start a debate about that ;)

Also, I think of myself as quite the les paul-knower. There are many more people who know a LOT (more) about the les paul, but I know quite a bit about it, more than the average player (on that board), and I also know quite a bit about the background of the les paul, the construction, the history of Gibson, the current way of building, the wood choices gibsons makes, and I also am capable of pairing that up to, lets say, warmoth's way, or PRS, or Hamer.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out that gibson makes inherently inferior instruments to all the 3 aforementioned companies. Drilling holes in the mahogany backs to relief weight, and only for that purpose (or so they say, its ofcourse an economical reason: if people wanna have a solid LP, they are FORCED to buy customshop, and ps: there's nothing custom about the CS). That smells like crap, in my opinion. People should have all the options and al the choices, and if you don't wanna do that, don't market them as the industries standard, or the best guitar in the world, etc etc, all the bullcrap we have come to know from Gibson.

The mediocre level of intelligence is giving me trouble not to illustrate Gibson's flaws and issues. Nevertheless, when (I'm) asked for (to), I will answer, in full detail, with all the sources I know off, which are quite elaborate.

I find it curious that providing information about this subject is reason enough for a ban of the board. Someone was personally offended when I told that Gibson doesn't use south american mahogany, but Phillipines mahogany. Source: gibson employee. I get scrutinized by people there, personal attacks, whilst I try to stay neutral, and just providing facts.

This proves for me, once more, that the level of development has come to a halt in the Netherlands. Its a shock to see that people don't know the word 'finesse', instead, they mix it up with the dutch word of fatal (which is 'funest' by the way).

Back to Gibson. They 'invented' (developed) the les paul, great, lovely.But now, 60 years later, there's little left of the original. Mahogany has become meranti, dalbergia negra has become some indian replacement (fine one though, but not remotely like the old RW!), hardrock maple has become sycamore, fine too, but not maple!, PAF's which has 42 AWG and alnico2 magnets, or just strong A5 magnets, have been replaced with those dreadful burstbuckers, classic 57's or any other crap gibson has produced.

Fender has stayed more true than Gibson, delivering more stable products and quality than Gibson, to name their biggest adversary, 60 years ago.

I find it just strange, plain and simple, that I get banned just because I place major questionmarks at Gibson's production, R&R and sales department, all under the pretence of having excremented foul language.

you should look into Heritage, made by the old gibson workers on the old gibson machines in the old gibson factory in k-zoo. I went and hung out with the guys at heritage this summer, great guys
you should also check out www.heritageownersclub.com
best Lance
 
big bob said:
Orpheo said:
No, not this one. unless people really wish to get rid of me  :icon_scratch: I'm talking about the dutch guitar-forum, one of the biggest, if not the biggest, dutch-spoken boards.

As some of you know, I'm a major les paul-fan. Not (only) the player, but the guitar(model). In my opinion, its (for me!) the most versatile guitar, and also its the prettiest guitar, imho. Not to start a debate about that ;)

Also, I think of myself as quite the les paul-knower. There are many more people who know a LOT (more) about the les paul, but I know quite a bit about it, more than the average player (on that board), and I also know quite a bit about the background of the les paul, the construction, the history of Gibson, the current way of building, the wood choices gibsons makes, and I also am capable of pairing that up to, lets say, warmoth's way, or PRS, or Hamer.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to find out that gibson makes inherently inferior instruments to all the 3 aforementioned companies. Drilling holes in the mahogany backs to relief weight, and only for that purpose (or so they say, its ofcourse an economical reason: if people wanna have a solid LP, they are FORCED to buy customshop, and ps: there's nothing custom about the CS). That smells like crap, in my opinion. People should have all the options and al the choices, and if you don't wanna do that, don't market them as the industries standard, or the best guitar in the world, etc etc, all the bullcrap we have come to know from Gibson.

The mediocre level of intelligence is giving me trouble not to illustrate Gibson's flaws and issues. Nevertheless, when (I'm) asked for (to), I will answer, in full detail, with all the sources I know off, which are quite elaborate.

I find it curious that providing information about this subject is reason enough for a ban of the board. Someone was personally offended when I told that Gibson doesn't use south american mahogany, but Phillipines mahogany. Source: gibson employee. I get scrutinized by people there, personal attacks, whilst I try to stay neutral, and just providing facts.

This proves for me, once more, that the level of development has come to a halt in the Netherlands. Its a shock to see that people don't know the word 'finesse', instead, they mix it up with the dutch word of fatal (which is 'funest' by the way).

Back to Gibson. They 'invented' (developed) the les paul, great, lovely.But now, 60 years later, there's little left of the original. Mahogany has become meranti, dalbergia negra has become some indian replacement (fine one though, but not remotely like the old RW!), hardrock maple has become sycamore, fine too, but not maple!, PAF's which has 42 AWG and alnico2 magnets, or just strong A5 magnets, have been replaced with those dreadful burstbuckers, classic 57's or any other crap gibson has produced.

Fender has stayed more true than Gibson, delivering more stable products and quality than Gibson, to name their biggest adversary, 60 years ago.

I find it just strange, plain and simple, that I get banned just because I place major questionmarks at Gibson's production, R&R and sales department, all under the pretence of having excremented foul language.

you should look into Heritage, made by the old gibson workers on the old gibson machines in the old gibson factory in k-zoo. I went and hung out with the guys at heritage this summer, great guys
you should also check out www.heritageownersclub.com
best Lance

They make very good guitars indeed, but not my thing ;) :P I prefer more... exotic woods for a neckback and/or a top. if I were to buy a les paul which had to have a vintage-vibe in looks, tone and feel, I'd most certainly buy heritage.
 
Sorry to hear that Orpheo.  It goes to show that any forum is only as good as the people in it.  As far as Warmoths being "toys," I deal with that from time to time.  I often get a "Too bad it's not a real one" response.  To me Allparts is simply replacement parts, but the Warmoth stuff because of the options, features, and varieties of woods and finishes, to call them replacement parts is...well, it just ain't right.  If you get a scratch build, the thing didn't even exist until you ordered it.  The name brand snobs probably couldn't tell you what their tuning machine ratio is, fretboard radius is, or the scale length.  If their Gibsons are perfect in everyway, how is there even a market for Warmoth?  A store bought guitar is what someone else thinks you would want.  We know this, and I digress.

I left a guitar forum a while back.  The noobs were constantly being flamed, often in the 1st reply.  Many topics were often bait set up by the moderator.  He'd post a "What do you think of..." type post, let it get multiple replies, the mod would then chime in with a dissenting, dominant opinion, then other members who'd been silent would reply agreeing with the mod 100%.  Not to mention the banning of several members who disagreed with the mod's opinion.  Oh well, it's not a perfect world but we can have the perfect guitar.  Their loss.
 
i'm really sorry to hear that. mods on most forums are as misinformed and opinionated as the posters. it's unfortunate, but i've seen forums where the moderators are as likely to get into an argument as the rest of the people using it. and a large amount of the time people bash things they have absolutely no knowledge of. people who just voice their opinion politely or hardly offer an opinion at all are banned for very little reason, and threads are shut down for no reason at all.

i love this forum. not only is EVERY SINGLE guitar somebody's dream instrument, but the people are extremely helpful and open-minded. i've only been a member for a few months, but i think i've asked my fair share of stupid questions. some even asked to the moderators, and i've always gotten polite responses. thanks UW!

:icon_thumright:

and not to mention that moderators on other forums i've been on are as young as 15 or 16. not saying somebody that young can't have a decent opinion on gear and discussions, but they use the power as a moderator to be a kind of internet bully. i guess being a mod isn't a paying job, but some of these sites need to set up some sort of check and balance.

some sites are just plain too strict. jemsite is great, but i swear half their topics get closed before a discussion can be had.
 
I like hanging round here, cause here, all the people are really interested in how a guitar functions, the inner workings of the instrument, etc etc. there are many people from whom I can still learn alot, and if I tell something, lets say, canary neckback plays looks an feels awesome, I don't get a response like 'it aint maple'.
 
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