glued the neck to guitar body

[Hendrix]

I am deep admirer for what Paul of PRS have done on R&D for their Guitar build.

http://www.prsguitars.com/detail/body.html


Neck and Body Assembly - PRS Wood Shop - Body Team
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VndZX0QlErI

I believe made neck and body like one whole unit get better tone. has anyone done that on Warmoth parts ? what kind of glued should I use ?

 

[Orpheo]

I think most here believe that a good joint with as little junk as possible is the best thing for your tone. glue can be considered junk I have a neckthru Charvel, amazing guitar, but it's not necessarily better than a good bolt-on neck.

 

[Hendrix]

I think plastic like kind of glue can be  junk to the wood .

but I don't see steel screws can do a much better jobs for wood tone too .

the obvious examples can be find on violin family of string instruments , they

be particular about what kind of  glue to use .

 

[bagman67]

A violin is not an electric guitar.  It's solving different problems. 


The problem of attaching an electric guitar neck to a body has multiple solutions, none of them necessarily any better or worse than any other, when done correctly.  As long as the neck is securely and rigidly fastened to the body, whether by screws, a dovetail joint, or via a neck-through design, you have achieved what you set out to do.  "Good" tone, while subjective, will derive first and foremost from electronics, then neck wood, then the player's technique, then all the other crap, assuming reasonable quality parts and proper installation of the fiddly bits.  The order of the first three components is arguable.


All the rest is just ideology.

 

[Hendrix]

I believe it is subjective different techniques can have different tones , may not mean one is better than other .

when PRS want to build a Strat style guitar , they use bolt-on neck too .

http://www.prsguitars.com/dc3/specs.php

it just show bolt-on neck is part of elements made a Strat tone.

but to show the true characters of wood , metal screws is not the good choice , especially in acoustic instrument world . When they pay more attention to wood tone.

 

[bagman67]

But the pickups do not directly pick up the "wood tone."  They respond specifically to the vibration of the string within the field of the pickup magnet - which generates an electrical signal.  "Wood tone" is very important in the context of acoustic guitars, but negligible with solid-body electrics.


The body and neck wood and presumably the neck joint will have some effect on the character of the string vibration, but it's attenuated.  The quality of the nut and bridge will weigh more heavily than the neck-to-body joint type, as long as it's a solid joint.  The neck joint is at such a remove from the actual thing being amplified that the type of joint is of much lesser significance than the other factors I call out above.

 

[drewfx]

I believe it is subjective different techniques can have different tones , may not mean one is better than other .

when PRS want to build a Strat style guitar , they use bolt-on neck too .

http://www.prsguitars.com/dc3/specs.php

it just show bolt-on neck is part of elements made a Strat tone.

but to show the true characters of wood , metal screws is not the good choice , especially in acoustic instrument world . When they pay more attention to wood tone.

Different acoustic and electric instruments all have different requirements and you cannot generalize that something appropriate for one thing will be appropriate for everything. If you disagree, I suggest you put violin strings on a strat and see how that works out for you.

And "tone" is not, by far, the only factor. For instance one reason for the type of glues being used is that they need to allow for parts to be unglued for repair. And "traditional" instruments are made based on whatever the best techniques available were at the time the tradition was established.

 

[line6man]

If this is another thread about gluing a bolt-on neck, don't do it! Bolt neck joints are not designed for set neck conversion. The joint will fail over time. And you are basically getting the worst of both worlds. All of the disadvantages of a bolt neck, but none of the advantages.

 

[Hendrix]

Leo" Fender begin to do it this way only for the sake of mass production and easy to exchange parts .

many many things can be done better as attention to detail on all step to build a guitar :

http://www.prsguitars.com/blog/category/rules_of_tone

Paul wrote the Rules of Tone over many years after a conversation he had with his father about physics. Essentially, it is a list of 21 rules of instrument making that are particular to PRS and the way we build guitars

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPFfZoy9-GI&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PL44E638012E65E506

 

[Cagey]

I'm curious what the point is here. You clearly admire the PRS designs, and that's fine. I'm fairly confident you won't find anyone here that doesn't agree that they make some very fine instruments.

So... whaddaya looking for? You want encouragement to buy one? Justification for one you bought? Some kind of argument to present to someone who disagrees with you? An understanding of the motivation for using a glued-on vs. bolt-on neck?

 

[stratamania]

If Les Pauls, came with bolt on necks, many would have been replaced instead of having to have the head stock repaired.  Bolt on, set neck, neck thru, they are different construction techniques. After that its preference.

Then of course there are the hide glue versus tite bond proponents. Whatever sticks for ya  :glasses9:

 

[Updown]

I believe made neck and body like one whole unit get better tone.

Well that's one of those never never never ending debates.  :doh:

has anyone done that on Warmoth parts ?

Simple answer ....... NO

Why ? .... Because it isn't designed that way.

Look at how a set neck is designed verses a bolt on neck.
2 TOTALY different designs.

It just won't work on a Warmoth. Even with the strongest superman glue you can find.

But .... by all means, go ahead and try it yourself. 

 

[line6man]

It just won't work on a Warmoth. Even with the strongest superman glue you can find.

The issue is not with the glue. In fact, most glues end up being stronger the the wood, and that's the problem. The wood can't take the stress, so the grain starts tearing out.

 

[Jumble Jumble]

I think that's why he said it wouldn't work, even with the strongest glue.

 

[sixstringsamurai]

I own both Set neck, an Sg and LP, and my jackson clone I built this summer(bolt neck obvi).

IOM:

my warmoth kicks the crap out of both my gibsons. playability, fit and, finish, not to mention SUSTAIN....
The thing rings like a bell, it is a superior instrument in every way

The SG feels like a sloppy kids toy to me now, and comparing it to my Epi LP is like trying to compare  Porches, and Prius'

I am in the process of Sell BOTH.
in order to finance my next W soloist build....

YMMV

 

[stubhead]

Let's just get to the point: my guitar sounds better than yours.  :icon_thumright:

 

[sixstringsamurai]

:icon_tongue:

 

[ghostrider]

I'm going to wager that in a blind test, you probably wouldn't be able to hear any difference between a Warmoth bolt on neck and the same Warmoth bolt on neck glued to the same guitar. On the other hand, it's a guarantee that if you damage your neck and it's glued on there, you're really going to wish it wasn't.

 

[Patrick from Davis]

Just to throw some more fuel into the mix, Stradivarius was known to add a nail for stability to hold on the necks of some of his instruments.  I personally believe that ultimately the sound will depend on two things, you and the particular hunk of wood you are using.  Warmoth does use very nice wood for their parts, so it really comes down to you in the end.
Patrick

 

[Hendrix]

I'm curious what the point is here. You clearly admire the PRS designs, and that's fine. I'm fairly confident you won't find anyone here that doesn't agree that they make some very fine instruments.

So... whaddaya looking for? You want encouragement to buy one? Justification for one you bought? Some kind of argument to present to someone who disagrees with you? An understanding of the motivation for using a glued-on vs. bolt-on neck?

it is very simple , I am waiting for my Warmoth body and neck I ordered , doing research now .


I also don't understand why this can become a kind of ideological stand guard .

people don't need to defend "bolt on necks" camps , fender already proven its successful, but it just a positioning strategies in business markets methodology, top load pickguards ＋ bolt on necks is great for mass production , standardization on exchange parts and ease up on copyright ,create booming aftermarket parts producers , great variety get a huge market share , low entry barriers meaning more customers play Fender style guitar, can appeal to buy a real fender later.
for the customers , you get the benefit of huge selection of variety on quantity and price. all this is a trade-off from standardization on exchange parts , "bolt on necks" is part of this trade-off , Does not mean it is the best way to join the neck to body technically .

same for the Warmoth , successful is build on this standardization aftermarket camps, by standardization on exchange parts , can save labor cost on programmable CNC , put the strengths on wood selection and finishing ,  customers get the benefit of reasonable prices tag , it also a trade-off that they can offer return for a full refund policy, standardization on exchange parts is mainly in order to establish
business strategies , Does not mean it is the best way to join the neck to body technically too.