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EU bans claim that water can prevent dehydration

It's amazing to me that we didn't all starve to death or die of thirst before the EU or US Congress stepped in to help us sort all this out!  :doh: I'm sure all those hundreds of my childhood friends wouldn't have died so young if they'd had the EU or Congress administrating their lunches. I just don't know what I did before I had them to wipe my behind! ??? (said sarcastically just in case anyone is confused.)

Next they'll ban every bridge but Floyds and tell us their making sure 1 size fits all! And of course, we should be happy with just maple necks. Why should we need anything else? The tonal differences after all are totally subjective! (oops, getting sarcasic again, sorry)

Personally, I don't want their gilded cage!!! I'm just smart enough to make my own choices and need the wisdom learned from having to live with my mistakes!  :guitarplayer2:

Guess I'm a Rebel!  :icon_thumright:
 
As much as I appreciate a minority of megalomaniacs micro-managing my every move, we're not allowed to discuss such things here out of fear of offending an even smaller minority of dissenters. Such is the result of allowing a nanny state to exist. We children are necessarily severely repressed as we cannot possibly understand the ramifications of our behaviors. So, unless you don't want your cookies updated or to have the ability to contribute to the growth of the group, you'll have to limit your discussion topics to such things as whether or not lacquer affects tone (silly question, really. Tag says lacquer's best, and Tag knows tone).

As an aside, it's highly unlikely any nanny would dictate we all install Floyds. More likely, it would be Bigsbys. At least that way nobody would be happy.
 
Botanically, that's not true, but since when has that stopped Congress?  Nonsensical laws bought and paid for by corporations that stand to benefit by them, that's the name of the game.  Rather than market school lunches that are actually healthier, let's jockey the system by getting it to define what we already make as "healthy." 


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Ddbltrbl said:
Next they'll ban every bridge but Floyds and tell us their making sure 1 size fits all! And of course, we should be happy with just maple necks. Why should we need anything else? The tonal differences after all are totally subjective! (oops, getting sarcasic again, sorry)

Personally, I don't want their gilded cage!!! I'm just smart enough to make my own choices and need the wisdom learned from having to live with my mistakes!  :guitarplayer2:
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Seems like a bit of a hyperbolic overreaction to what actually happened, if this is in reference to the EU decision. Nothing got banned, except making false claims. For a fairer analogy, you can still sell Floyd Roses but you're not allowed to claim it'll make string changes quicker than your stock Fender trem.

If this is about the school lunches thing, then I'd compare school lunches to making your kid eat a Squier bullet strat. You don't really get any say on what goes into them, and you can bet your ass it'll be the cheapest crap they can get away with, because the budget is just slightly above zero. If you don't like it, go custom and send your kids off to school with a lunchbox that contains actual food, food that that wasn't just manufactured to meet the minimum requirements as cheaply as possible.
 
what truly is a shame here is that those stupid laws are needed because we live in a world that is so driven by money we need to protect ourselves from it.
look at some of the stupid things that have prevailed just because it was cheap. VHS became the standard over Beta because of price. LCD tvs out sell Plasma because of price. Places like Taco Bell are what most of America consider an example of Mexican food because of price.
And look at things that have been shoved down your throat because of profit. 3 grades of gas, because they can get you to save but not to much, bottled water because filters are not good enough, but most bottles water is just filtered water.

So now that we all believe that letting major corporations charge us a dollar per 16 ozs a unit of what we could make with a Brita filter on our tap for a dollar per 3000 gallon. We complain they try to protect us from further brainwashing. Should we not be asking why we are paying for something we can get basically free compared to the prices they are charging?

And about that pizza, walk down to any Little Ceasars Pizza place and watch how many customers the cater to between 5 and 8 pm. Little Ceasars is basically selling bread, it has the least amount of sauce and cheese, the thinest toppings and can be processed so fast they push a finished pizza out the door in 9 minutes, you are basically eating a starch overload. Exactly what congress had intent to protect the school lunch program, driven by the need to cut cost, from trying to force down your kids throats. And we find humor in it and complain.

what we need to complain about is why they need to make such laws. We all sit up and say we are intelligent, but we prove as a species that we are pretty stupid. Our decisions are not driven by what is good for us, but by what is taught to us by mass marketing, such as bottled water is better if in a nice bottle flavored with sugar and a dye, and putting in a few vitamins then charging us 2 bucks, we could filter the water ourselves and take a multi vitamin, and skip the sugar and be healthier.  Or if we want Pizza get one that has more than just the bare minimum on a starch pad because the kids will eat anything, then complain the schools want to shove it down the kids throats but we want our kids to eat good.

It seems these laws actually are needed, we are doing what they are trying to protect ourselves from with rampant desire, and only complain when restricted from the self destruction we claim we do not do.
 
ok how stupid are we
as of 2008, bottled water was 15 % of the drink market with 11.2 billion dollars in sales wholesale.
compare that to carbonated sodas being 24 %
in 2007 sports drinks were at 11.7 percent of market, with 63 billion in ales retail
a sports drink is basically sugar water with minerals and vitamins costing about 3 cents more to produce than bottles water.
and energy drinks
I did not get market percentage but in 2008 figures were 560 million, that was 3 years ago and the market has exploded since then, for sugared water with a  bunch of caffeine added.
So you can see with figures like that in the US, maybe we should review what advertisers can claim to be offering, so far they are able to get billions of our dollars a year for something we can filter ourselves, add a few sponfuls of sugar and take a multi vitamin and caffeine pill for pennies.

A market analyst in 2011 stated that Little Ceasars can put a medium pepperoni pizza out the door for a $1.25. Let me ask what kind of crap would you have to be buying to be able to supply, cook, and pay your employees and taxes to be able to do that, after rent and equiptment cost it cost around $2.47 average. No wander our schools want to pass the same product out, that would be about 63 cents per child to produce before overhead that they do not have to pay for.
and then we complain about nutritional needs, but they are just copying one of the most successful pizza chains in America, one we buy billions of dollars worth a year from, and then we complain about what our schools serve? 
 
I've been saying for years that people revile the wrong groups. It's not the lawyers, who simply apply the law. It's not the politicians, who are simply too stupid to succeed in real life and only want their tummies rubbed. It's not the criminals who are trying to avoid the lawyers and politicians. It's the marketing weenies who are lower than whale dung. They're the ones who lie, cheat, and steal our way of life.
 
Kadmium said:
Ddbltrbl said:
Next they'll ban every bridge but Floyds and tell us their making sure 1 size fits all! And of course, we should be happy with just maple necks. Why should we need anything else? The tonal differences after all are totally subjective! (oops, getting sarcasic again, sorry)

Personally, I don't want their gilded cage!!! I'm just smart enough to make my own choices and need the wisdom learned from having to live with my mistakes!  :guitarplayer2:
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Seems like a bit of a hyperbolic overreaction to what actually happened, if this is in reference to the EU decision. Nothing got banned, except making false claims. For a fairer analogy, you can still sell Floyd Roses but you're not allowed to claim it'll make string changes quicker than your stock Fender trem.

If this is about the school lunches thing, then I'd compare school lunches to making your kid eat a Squier bullet strat. You don't really get any say on what goes into them, and you can bet your ass it'll be the cheapest crap they can get away with, because the budget is just slightly above zero. If you don't like it, go custom and send your kids off to school with a lunchbox that contains actual food, food that that wasn't just manufactured to meet the minimum requirements as cheaply as possible.
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Taken as 2 isolated cases you would be correct. However, these are just 2 examples from 1 isolated week. And, there are many more if you look.

I'm truly sorry for you if you either 1) are so used to the Nanny State that you feel it is normal, or 2) don't value your Liberty / Freedom enough to recognize the real danger this kind of BS poses to you and your future! I hope neither is the case! My statements may be sarcastic, but they none the less point out a real and eminent concern!

I tend to agree with your lunch example, but now several of the public schools in the States are trying to control brown bags as well. I just saw a news article on that less than a month ago.

@Cagey
Up to a certain point I agree with you, but as one of the managers behind the marketing weenies in one of the largest international tech companies, and setting here in Japan about to slide off into the Marianas Trench with the next big earthquake, I must plead innocence! Many Marketing weenies probably are lower that Whale dung (that part I won't disagree with), but with out the government Nanny State in place for us to twist and pander into giving us what we want, we wouldn't have the power to change our own shorts, little alone someone else's mind. We might screw 1 or 2, but the free and open market place of ideas and speech would very quickly expose our falsehoods to the world! We get away with it because of the government has such a large role in everyone's life that they isolate the normal person from the real truth about products.

Having spent a great deal of time doing business in both Europe and Asia, I can tell you it is even worse than in the US. Just look at the crap furniture at at your local I*** store. Does anything there remotely remind you of the quality you see in most antique hardwood furniture? Yet, in Europe and Japan, and more and more in the US, it is often considered cutting edge, state of the art! Not because of the marketing, but because the Nanny State makes it the best and only thing available, so most people (particularly younger folks) believe that is "good quality" as they've often never seen anything better. That allows the Whale dung to market it as "the Latest & Greatest".

People in California think they get good Sushi, because they've never had Ohtoro from a top quality Sushi place in Japan. As Justatele said, many people even think Taco Bell is great Mexican food! If I can control your access to new & different things by controlling the import of foreign goods / technology, or the release dates in a given country you'll never know what you missed. I have had many US companies try to show me how advanced their new products are, when I had seen something similar or often better in Japan 1-2 years prior. It is not that they couldn't make as good or as new technology as the Japanese. They did it because they could, and got away with it because the market wasn't aware of anything better, because the goverment prevented the direct import of the newer technology. The minute the government gets involved in supposedly making the market more free and fair (an oxymoron of there ever was one), you should know that the Whale dung have found an opportunity to hide something from you! A truly free market is free of any control from anyone!

So, while your not wrong, IMHO it's actually the over-controlling Nanny State that is screwing us, not the the Whale poop.
 
Jusatele said:
ok how stupid are we
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@ Justatele -- I think you are on to something... I believe you are saying quit trying to legislate behavior and start thinking!! If so, I totally agree with you!  :headbang:

I installed an under-the-counter filter for my water and don't buy bottled water. But, I really only installed it because the local water supply had an alge bloom every spring that taste like hell. I am sure I still do many stupid things, but I am trying to be more intelligent about my life.

Then on the other hand, if I want to build 3 new Warmoth guitars and have the money (that I worked hard to earned and didn't steal from anyone or cheat anyone out of), then why shouldn't I get to be a little stupid on occassion? I like my freedom to be stupid! Freedom to make mistakes and fail is often the best education! :toothy10::guitarplayer2:
 
My prediction of this thread:
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I cannot see the end of this one. we are talking human nature not politics

I am not saying whether these laws are correct or wrong, I am saying we would not need these laws if we only thought about our actions.

The guys making these laws are actually concerned. The part of these laws that are ridiculous is that we have created a need for the laws.

Human nature is to take the easiest and cheapest way out. In a world that is offering us that in a way we destroy our own bodies then can afford such luxuries as paying 10,000 times the worth of water because it is trendy, these laws make sense.

If we as humans would refuse to succumb to the advertising and look after ourselves they would be no need for them, but again we lie to ourselves to take the easy way out, We pick up that Little Ceasars Bottom of the line pizza because it is CHEAP and the KIDS will eat it and we do not need to work to create them dinner. Then we stand up and complain they want to feed our children the same thing at school. But we will not spend 10 minutes in teh morning making a balanced meal for the kids to take to school.

why should we, the school lunch is cheaper than we can create, and easier than us working.
 
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