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Ebony fretboard with Dimarzio VV/Area stacked singles

cdub

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I want to build a SSS strat. I love ebony 'boards, and would probably use a poplar or alder body and a roasted maple neck. It would have a 5-way switch and single 500k volume control with a high-pass/treble bleed. I refuse to use actual single-coils so I'm planning to use he following Dimarzio pickups: VV '54 Pro neck, Area '58 middle, Virtual Solo bridge.

My question is will this setup be exceedingly bright/harsh wih the ebony and 500k control?

You guys rock! Great info on here!  :headbang1:
 
Of course, you can always experiment. As per your question...

My question is will this setup be exceedingly bright/harsh wih the ebony and 500k control?

Only one way for you and your ears to find out.

But all Dimarzio areas were designed to work with 250K pots. So I would recommend using one of that value.

Reference:   http://www.dimarzio.com/sites/default/files/diagrams/virtual_area_hs.pdf  section component values.

If you are also using one volume control with a treble bleed circuit, if you do want a darker tone at times you may consider adding a tone control. Radical I know but there it is  :guitaristgif:
 
Gasp. TWO knobs, say you???  I might go no-load on that tone pot. Problem solved!
 
I think it's cute when people think 500K's will make things too bright.  :turtle:

I pretty much run 500K volume 'no load' tone on everything, (bright) singlecoils and all. Yes, even on pickups where they specifically say to use 250K, I dont, and never had an issue, personally.

Stacked pickups have a much smaller resonant peak because of their high DCR compared to vintage singles, so higher value pots are generally preferable, unless you want a flatter more dull sound all the time. Remember: If you have a tone control, you attenuate that resonant peak any time, by rolling the control back, slightly. I often leave them wide open, though.

Where the resonant peak sits also has a large effect on how 'bright' the guitar sounds. A pickup with a 8db resonant frequency @3-4khz will probably sound 'brighter' and more piercing than a pickup with an 8dB resonant peak @ 6+khz even though, on paper, the later pickup would obviously have more 'treble' due to how our ears work, and the frequency bandwidth of guitar amps/speakers, the 3-4khz peaked pickup will generally sound 'brighter' and more biting. If your resonant peak is significantly below 3khz, you'll also likely find bright treble to not be an issue.


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I don't know if I'd call it "cute", but I do sometimes get surprised that anyone worries about it. Although, to be fair, how are they supposed to know unless they ask? There's a tremendous amount of dogma, hearsay, common practice, and just plain ol' BS on the the dreaded interwebs, so if anyone even knew enough to bother researching it on your typical music sites, it would be easy to get confused or misinformed.

Myself, I've always wanted every last bit of signal the instrument produces to be at least available for later processing/amplification, whether I intend to use it or not. If one doesn't want a broad-spectrum frequency response, you can certainly shelve it at different points or filter the offending bands out. But, if the instrument is built so that it's severely attenuating frequencies above some point before the sfx/amplification chain ever even sees them, then what's a mother to do if some day she wants to use/hear them?

So, yeah. 500K pots for everyone. And as long as we're buying pots, get the long-shafted version. You can almost always use those in the same places you'd use short ones, but you can never use short ones where you need them long.

Back to the original poster's question, by all means use Ebony over Roasted Maple. And be sure to burnish it and use stainless steel frets. What a lovely neck that is! If it's too bright, reach down to your stompboxes or around to your amp and turn the treble control down a smidge. Or, if you wanna present a trip hazard to your bandmates, use a cheap coiled cord. That'll eat plenty of high end  :laughing7:
 
Cagey said:
I don't know if I'd call it "cute", but I do sometimes get surprised that anyone worries about it. Although, to be fair, how are they supposed to know unless they ask? There's a tremendous amount of dogma, hearsay, common practice, and just plain ol' BS on the the dreaded interwebs, so if anyone even knew enough to bother researching it on your typical music sites, it would be easy to get confused or misinformed.

Myself, I've always wanted every last bit of signal the instrument produces to be at least available for later processing/amplification, whether I intend to use it or not. If one doesn't want a broad-spectrum frequency response, you can certainly shelve it at different points or filter the offending bands out. But, if the instrument is built so that it's severely attenuating frequencies above some point before the sfx/amplification chain ever even sees them, then what's a mother to do if some day she wants to use/hear them?

So, yeah. 500K pots for everyone. And as long as we're buying pots, get the long-shafted version. You can almost always use those in the same places you'd use short ones, but you can never use short ones where you need them long.

Back to the original poster's question, by all means use Ebony over Roasted Maple. And be sure to burnish it and use stainless steel frets. What a lovely neck that is! If it's too bright, reach down to your stompboxes or around to your amp and turn the treble control down a smidge. Or, if you wanna present a trip hazard to your bandmates, use a cheap coiled cord. That'll eat plenty of high end  :laughing7:

THIS. Loving your realness. I would just not put any pots in the guitar if I could fit a volume pedal in the case. Awkward. So I have a goncalo/macassar neck that is just... let's say the bee's knees. It's mated to a chambered korina on korina rear-route Strat and that guitar is just stupid fat with that response that gets MORE trebly as you squeeze or dig in, snarly. Stainless frets as well. So that's my holy grail (so far), but I love the ease of assembling a top-routed guitar. So, I want to combine the best things about my favorite guitar to play with the best things about my favorite guitars to build for a relatively cheap, rewarding instrument. Now that I've spent $$$ to try all the options :doh:

I have guitars with Areas and 1 meg pots. I have to say that they seem to get a little nasal? I dunno. I've changed so many things I don't know what works sometimes... Thanks people, been thinking about your replies all day at work in the damn heat. I do electrical.
 
Wiring pickguards is easier than wiring in rear cavities, but don't let a little temporary aggravation keep you from an otherwise ideal body. You typically only have to wire it once, so even if it is a pain the ass, it's not chronic.
 
have guitars with Areas and 1 meg pots. I have to say that they seem to get a little nasal? I dunno.

This brings us back to the resonant frequency. If the pickups resonant frequency is in that nasally part of the midrange a larger value pot may seem to make it more nasally, since that peak will increase in amplitude, but I have to say, you'd need some pretty high capacitance cables to get an Area's resonant frequency down that low, IMO, it's definitely possible with long cable runs, though.

I generally notice more 'bite' and articulation with higher value pots, personally, but that'd be because the resonant frequency of my pickups + cable runs, are generally 3Khz or higher, so the increased resonant peak generally adds some more 'sharpness' or perceived 'treble'
 
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