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AlMix1952

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Just delivered by the brown truck, something I have been dreaming of for ages. Chambered Jazzcaster with Tele neck one of the most beautiful things ever to grace my door. I did quite a bit of research before ordering and that's why I ordered from Warmoth, people said things will fit and you won't have to do much tweaking of parts at all. Neck fits nice my bridge lines up perfectly, only little inconvenience is that tuner ream for my hipshot tuners wasn't offered on the order form but that has already been remedied, and was completely expected. Reading through the literature that came with the body and neck causes concern though. Can I just bolt on the neck and have it be perfect? Or do I indeed need to learn more about how necks work? Do I need to level frets? Are my string slots cut deep enough on my nut? Do I need nut files? The papers with the body told me not to get it wet, should I stay away from water based dyes and stains? Are oils OK? Sorry if I sound panicked but I really want this to be perfect .
 
      I've ordered probably 15 necks from Warmoth and the frets aren't level, but 13 out of the 15 have been close enough to perfect to not make a difference.  One had a few bad frets that required the action to be higher than I would've liked.  One had horrible fretwork which I should have taken the time to examine before attaching the neck.  Everything else has been perfect.
 
AlMix1952 said:
... Can I just bolt on the neck and have it be perfect?

No, only by luck. It's a random neck on a random body. Any brand that makes bolt-on neck guitars don't have a perfect guitar when they first put the neck on the body. You need to put strings, adjust the bridge, the pickups height and the truss rod. Play and see what you like and what you don't, 99% it will be playable but not perfect. That's why boutique brands cost three times, because they take time after they put the neck on the body to take care every little detail. If you don't know how to do that there are techs that will setup your guitar according to your needs.
 
AlMix1952 said:
Can I just bolt on the neck and have it be perfect? Or do I indeed need to learn more about how necks work? Do I need to level frets? Are my string slots cut deep enough on my nut? Do I need nut files? The papers with the body told me not to get it wet, should I stay away from water based dyes and stains? Are oils OK? Sorry if I sound panicked but I really want this to be perfect .

A lotta folks will just bolt the neck on as delivered and play it with little or no adjustment/setup. It's a new neck, so it's gonna be awfully close. But, there are some things Warmoth doesn't do because they can't know ahead of time what would be appropriate.

For instance, they don't know what strings you're going to use, so the nut slots are cut a bit shallow. That leaves you room to adjust for your preferred gauge set and playing height. They don't know how you want the fret ends dressed, so they're just left beveled. The fretboard is freshly milled, so the frets as installed are level, but usually inside the first week some of them will move just a bit, so some leveling might be in order. Leveling and dressing usually means a bit of crowning and polishing is in order as well. Different gauge sets of strings and your own playing style will dictate different needs for relief, so some truss rod adjustment may be needed.

This is all typical for any new guitar, and oddly enough, isn't done nearly as often as you might imagine. The dealer you buy your guitar from is supposed to do it, but unless you press them most will keep their mouths shut about doing any work if they don't have to. Time is money, after all. Of course, for something you put together yourself, there is no dealer to lean on so you either need the tools/skills to do it yourself or have access to someone who does. The adjustments needed are tiny, but the results are dramatic, so it's definitely worth doing.

As for getting things wet, that's just any wood. It'll raise the grain. Not the end of the world, but you'll probably want to sand it back. Alternatively, you can use solvent-based dyes/pigments/finishes, which is traditionally how it's been done, but there are those who have concerns about solvents so there are water-based products you can fight with and be disappointed in while you do your virtue-signaling :laughing7:
 
If you just slap it all together and string it up it will most likely be playable, but probably not perfect. Perfect takes time, effort and attention to detail. They say up front that the frets may need leveled, no promises implied or expressed there. The nut slots will not be cut specifically for your strings because they don’t know what strings you use. If there is any finish accumulated in the neck pocket of the body it will affect the neck geometry if not cleaned up. I would say that expecting it to be perfect according to whatever perfect is for you is a bit of a lofty expectation, yes. Likewise, if you’ve never done this sort of thing, expecting perfection from your first attempt might be an unreasonable expectation of yourself. There is skill involved and, as with any skill, there is a curve. I’m not sure if this forum was part of the research you mentioned, but there are many many threads covering different builds from start to finish. A great collection of learning material! Welcome to the forum and please do share your project!
 
-VB- said:
There is skill involved and, as with any skill, there is a curve. I’m not sure if this forum was part of the research you mentioned, but there are many many threads covering different builds from start to finish. A great collection of learning material! Welcome to the forum and please do share your project!
Exactly, -VB-: Lots to learn, and all the knowledge available right here. If you can't find what you need, just ask, someone hear will have the answer. Can't begin to tell you how much I've learned from forum members. Welcome to the asylum!
 
it depends how perfectly you want and how much time you willing to spend on it to make it perfect.

as I don't have much time, but I have built more than 10 Warmoth, I never have leveled the fret. it playable for me, only some of them have set the action a bit hight to avoid fret buzz.
 
On the other hand, I cannot imagine not doing any needed fretwork and nut adjustments.

If you don't have the tools or confidence to do it you can always farm the work out.

For Hipshot tuners, the best thing to do is to order the two-step Schaller bore.
 
As I mentioned above, a lotta guys don't know any better. They figure if they buy a brand-spankin' new Strat from "Guitars 'R' Us", that's as good as it gets. It's not their fault. If they've never had a guitar properly set up, how would they know?  Eventually, most guys get to play a guitar that has been done right, and they get to wondering...
 
stratamania said:
On the other hand, I cannot imagine not doing any needed fretwork and nut adjustments.

If you don't have the tools or confidence to do it you can always farm the work out.

For Hipshot tuners, the best thing to do is to order the two-step Schaller bore.


FYI, last year Schaller changed the specs of their tuners. As a result, Warmoth's Schaller bore is no longer a two-step bore. It is now a straight 25/64" bore.


You can see the current specs on Warmoth tuner holes here.
 
double A said:
stratamania said:
On the other hand, I cannot imagine not doing any needed fretwork and nut adjustments.

If you don't have the tools or confidence to do it you can always farm the work out.

For Hipshot tuners, the best thing to do is to order the two-step Schaller bore.


FYI, last year Schaller changed the specs of their tuners. As a result, Warmoth's Schaller bore is no longer a two-step bore. It is now a straight 25/64" bore.


You can see the current specs on Warmoth tuner holes here.
My understanding the old 2 step Schaller bore can still be ordered?
 
TBurst Std said:
double A said:
stratamania said:
On the other hand, I cannot imagine not doing any needed fretwork and nut adjustments.

If you don't have the tools or confidence to do it you can always farm the work out.

For Hipshot tuners, the best thing to do is to order the two-step Schaller bore.


FYI, last year Schaller changed the specs of their tuners. As a result, Warmoth's Schaller bore is no longer a two-step bore. It is now a straight 25/64" bore.


You can see the current specs on Warmoth tuner holes here.
My understanding the old 2 step Schaller bore can still be ordered?

That was my understanding also. Has this changed?
If so could we get it back as an option?
 
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