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Distortion Pedals w/out "tubey sag"

zebra

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I see lots of pedals that market "that tubey sag" - it's a desirable quality for bluesy types of applications but..Any characteristics/qualities (circuits, transistors) or specific pedals that are the opposite of "saggy"? Sometimes that's an undesirable quality.  Any help appreciated!
 
When you push an amp up to the point where it distorts, it generally tends to draw more power. Most tube amp power supplies aren't up to the task, so the voltage on the plates of the tubes drops. As a result, you lose a bit of output. Or, more accurately, you don't get the additional output you might expect when digging in and playing the guitar/bass harder. Essentially what you're getting is some "natural" compression, but it's often described as "sag", because it's happening as a result of the power supply voltage sagging below optimal.

Compression is just another word for artificially reduced dynamic range.

The reason most people use distortion/overdrive pedals is to simulate the effect of an amp running at its limits, but at lower volumes because they aren't allowed to have a big tube amp with lotsa big speakers running balls-to-the-wall in suicide mode. It's certainly not practical in your basement/bedroom, and most of the time not even in most bars/clubs/halls. That big Marshall sound Hendix/Clapton/Trower/SRV/VanHalen/et al  had/have that we all know and love came from having free rein to crank up a wall of the things to full tilt boogie because they were/are playing very large venues most of us will never get to use.

All that is to say, wide dynamic range and distortion are sorta mutually exclusive. If you've got a lotta range, it means the amp has room to breathe, so it doesn't distort. That also means that pedals meant to create/simulate distortion are not going to have much dynamic range. They'd sound funny if they did.

That's not to say you can't have it, but it's a little trickier than a pedal. The easiest way to get it, although it costs more than most pedal solutions, is with an attenuator. They let you crank your amp to the hairy edge without producing very high sound pressure levels. They used to be somewhat scary devices years ago, as the load they present to the amp isn't natural so there was always some risk of damage to the amp. They were fine if you didn't go crazy, but that's like giving somebody a Corvette and only letting them drive in residential areas. You know  some rules are gonna get broken  :laughing7:

But, modern units present the amp with reactive loads that look just like speakers, so the danger doesn't exist like it used to. Of course, they cost more as they're more compex devices, but whaddaya gonna do? Blow up your amp trying to be quiet?

All of that  said, if you haven't tried Friedman's "Dirty Shirley" or "BE OD" pedals yet, go do it. Or, at least dig around on YouTube and listen to some of the reviews. I think you'll be pretty impressed. I know I was, and am. Bought one of my very own, and love it to death. Also, Fullertone's "OCD" pedal is pretty good, too. Not quite as raucous, but very authentic-sounding. In all cases, you get good response to the volume knob on your guitar, so you can get clean and/or dirty in varying degrees and maintain some semblance of realism when it comes to dynamic range.
 
I'm currently using them with a Boss Katana head, but the plan is to get one of those little Seymour Duncan Powerstage 170 pedalboard amps. The Katana sounds remarkably good on its own, but I want an all-in-one pedalboard solution so I don't need to carry a separate amp. Plus, for as much fun as the Katana is, adjusting things is a bit too fiddly for my taste. It has lotsa sounds/effects/etc., but getting at them is a bit more of a pain in the shorts than I'd want on a stage.
 
The Katana seems to be getting popular. I have not tried one but amps on pedalboards seem to be a thing. Seems a good way to go.

Tons of choice these days for all sorts of use cases.



 
The various Katana models are all one helluva lotta amp for the money. In fact, I'd wager they could charge more for them and get it. The Gear Page has a 640 or so page thread on the things with almost 13,000 replies, the overwhelming majority of them somewhere between complimentary and gushing. They do a lot and sound great doing it. But, as I mentioned earlier, the interface is a bit sparse. It's nice you've got 50 or so good to high quality sfx built in, but you only get a few knobs and switches to control them all, unless you wanna go crazy with midi controllers and/or a computer. It's great for the bedroom/basement player who's got time to fuss with all that and not a whole lotta budget for dozens of sfx, but when time is of the essence like it is when you're running through a set onstage, I just don't see it as practical. When you wanna change something RFN, you need a knob you can nail.
 
Yes, I have seen that thread at TGP, not read all of it as its not something I have a need for.
 
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