Craft guitar with nail polish
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TonyFlyingSquirrel
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Well...
You can "price it" between $8-10k, but that doesn't mean it will "sell" for $8-10k. :glasses10:
You can "price it" between $8-10k, but that doesn't mean it will "sell" for $8-10k. :glasses10:
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Oh, a quality handmade instrument can easily go for the asking price. This workshop has a century-long history, and their instruments have been played by top flamenco artists. I agree you can't just hang out your sign and immediately start asking for $11,000 bucks for whatever you can glue together, even if you do an excellent job. Reputation is a huge adder for price. But the folks who go to a builder like this aren't buying mass-produced goods. And in any event, the two top-shelf units shown in the video appear to be at the high end of the studio's line. I found this Conde instrument at a Spanish seller's website at under 4000 Euro. They show up on eBay from ~$2500-$8000.
https://www.lasonanta.com/flamenco-guitars/cypress-guitars/mariano-conde-flamenco-guitar-blanca
https://www.lasonanta.com/flamenco-guitars/cypress-guitars/mariano-conde-flamenco-guitar-blanca
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Cool video...
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Yes, acoustic guitars, and classical guitars in particular, exist on an entirely different plane that electrics.
$10,000 is not that uncommon for a pro-level classical.
$10,000 is not that uncommon for a pro-level classical.
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True, but it has to be a whole lot more than nail polish that warrants such a price, ie; craftsmanship.
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TonyFlyingSquirrel said:
I agree that the focus on her being an attractive woman (at least in the title) was a mistake.
I'm trusting that she is a serious luthier from a lineage of great craftspeople. Maybe in a way this is to show that "women can do it too" which can be inspirational.
It is sort of funny as I have shown my wife pictures from this site of the great guitars people make and the creativity, etc, and we did take notice that it is something of a boy's club. Why that is, I don't have a clue.
As for classical guitars, they can be the bomb. I originally never paid them any mind, as I has played nylon stringed guitars in jr High guitar class--and preferred my steel string at home--and didn't really quite get that those guitars at school were just "school grade".
It was much later that I actually played a "respectable" classical and was pretty stunned at the quality of tone.
Then hearing a concert of an un-miked classical player in an auditorium and hearing the sweetness and fullness of the instrument was really stunning.
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TonyFlyingSquirrel said:
Of course, it has. But she is a craftswoman and third generation in an already respected brand/known maker. Therefore they can charge those prices. The nail polish is a side issue.
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Seamas said:
LOL....oh man....if you only knew... :icon_biggrin:
FYI, the owner of the company is a woman. Ken's daughter has been CEO for many years now. We also have women in key roles throughout the company...production, department supervisors, merchandising, hr, etc. To be sure, there are more men on staff than women, but not by much.
I think maybe part of the reason you came to the conclusion you did is because most videos focus on production, which does skew towards men. But take a look at our neck department video:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDCuC6J4NFk[/youtube]
The person tracing the neck perimeter at 0:34 is the department supervisor.
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double A said:
That's cool to know.
I was really referring to the members and contributors of this forum. )Are there any woman on this forum?)
I am not really surprised to learn that you have women working on the materials--I know women have been in the manufacturing end of guitars in most of the American (and I am certain Asian / Pacific) factories for a very long time.
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I know we have some Warmoth staff who post here from time to time, who are women.
Four or five years ago there was an active female forumite, but I haven't seen here post here in a while.
I know what you're saying though...the guitar world in general has been a boys club for decades. I see that changing slowly, with new players like Nita Strauss and Liz Hale. There is a whole wave of all-female tribute bands too: Helles Belles, Zepperella, Iron Maidens, Black Sabbitch, etc. Heck....Helles Belles was even the question to a Jeopardy answer a year or so ago. That's pretty legit.
From a "marketing guy" perspective, I have long argued that the best way revive the flagging guitar industry was to get the other 50% of the population playing.
Four or five years ago there was an active female forumite, but I haven't seen here post here in a while.
I know what you're saying though...the guitar world in general has been a boys club for decades. I see that changing slowly, with new players like Nita Strauss and Liz Hale. There is a whole wave of all-female tribute bands too: Helles Belles, Zepperella, Iron Maidens, Black Sabbitch, etc. Heck....Helles Belles was even the question to a Jeopardy answer a year or so ago. That's pretty legit.
From a "marketing guy" perspective, I have long argued that the best way revive the flagging guitar industry was to get the other 50% of the population playing.
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hannaugh is a Master member but she last logged in in Feb 2016. I think there was at least one other female member but I don't recall her username off the top of my head.
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Seamas said:
There's been a great deal of research that says that in general, female brains have a tougher time with abstract spatial cognition. Makes it tough to mentally translate and visualize a 3-view into a 3D object and rotate it in mental space. Without that ability, mechanical ability is substantially limited. That's why girls aren't interested in Lego blocks or things of that nature that require you to imagine end results before they exist, and create them in physical reality. It's not 100%, of course, and I'm sure we all know some female(s) who do just fine with it. But, they're the exception, rather than the rule.
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To be sure, there are more men on staff than women, but not by much.[/quote]
I noticed a while back that the intro music section of Warmoth's process videos used to feature a few women, but then stopped. I rarely read the comments on YouTube, but my assumption was some rude things were said there.
To be sure, there are more men on staff than women, but not by much.[/quote]
I noticed a while back that the intro music section of Warmoth's process videos used to feature a few women, but then stopped. I rarely read the comments on YouTube, but my assumption was some rude things were said there.
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I noticed a while back that the intro music section of Warmoth's process videos used to feature a few women, but then stopped. I rarely read the comments on YouTube, but my assumption was some rude things were said there.amon said:
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There were a few comments, but nothing patently derogatory. The main reason the intro has changed over time is because we have gotten better at making videos. It's only about half as long as it originally was, so that accounts for some of it. Other people, both men and women, were cut because they no longer work here.
Honestly, I'd say the men and women of Warmoth are treated pretty equally on YouTube. As in...neither one is safe from insult.
For example, I arrived at work this morning to find this little gem aimed at me: "U cant move ur head naturally coz of that stoopid hair lol. U look semi retarded."
I actually have a running Word document I call "Aaron's SocMed Comment Hall of Fame", in which I chronicle all the insults hurled my way. It's comedy gold! :icon_jokercolor:
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The most expensive instrument I ever played was an upright bass at gages music in nyc. It was made in 1640's and cost $250,000. It sounded great! I can only describe it as broad and rich and thick and clear. It was from the days before tempered music. To play something like that was real special.
Edit: they were repairing bootsy Collins bass. I was afraid to touch it.
Edit: they were repairing bootsy Collins bass. I was afraid to touch it.
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double A said:
There were a few comments, but nothing patently derogatory. The main reason the intro has changed over time is because we have gotten better at making videos. It's only about half as long as it originally was, so that accounts for some of it. Other people, both men and women, were cut because they no longer work here.
Honestly, I'd say the men and women of Warmoth are treated pretty equally on YouTube. As in...neither one is safe from insult.
For example, I arrived at work this morning to find this little gem aimed at me: "U cant move ur head naturally coz of that stoopid hair lol. U look semi retarded."
I actually have a running Word document I call "Aaron's SocMed Comment Hall of Fame", in which I chronicle all the insults hurled my way. It's comedy gold! :icon_jokercolor:
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Well at least you can take comfort in only looking semi retarded. (Never go full retard)
Interesting aside: When I came home this evening NPR (I think it was All Things Considered?) had a segment on women guitarists and the fact that women (and girls) are approaching 50% of the marketshare for first-time guitar buyers.
I know at one time--possibly before Segovia really changed things, in most of the world (outside Spain) the guitar--and maybe lute before that --was considered something of a woman's instrument.
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