Could fit a MK neck with a 24.75 scale, 24 frets on a 7/8 body ?

[warwulf]

I have wanted to build a Warmtoh Warhead body guitar, but I want a tele or strat headstock neck with a vintage trus rod. I found that Musikcrakft make a strat neck with 24.75" scale, 24 frets neck. According to MK http://www.musikraft.com/orderform/learnmore/number_frets.htm, a neck with 24 frets have the same length  than a regular neck with 22 frets. Both necks have the same fretboard overhang of .25" (This apply to necks with a 25.5" scale). But I'm wondering if a MK neck with a 24.75" scale could fit the Warmoth Warhead strat body, since both have the same neck pocket and scale (24.75"), my only concern if is the bridge on the 7/8" body will have enough room to intonate properly. I'm wondering this because accordingly to Warmoth a neck with a 24" scale can intonate with the Warhead body neck just fine.

Warhead users, could you share the length from the nut to the 12th fret and the overall length from the neck? And If there are MK users with a Strat neck with a 24.75" scale and 24 frets or If you have a MK Tele neck with a 24.75" scale, 22 or 21 frets, could you share the same measurements from the MK neck?

I'm interested in build both, a tele with 22 frets and a strat with 24 frets, both short scale and a 7/8" body size. Unfortunately MK doesn't offer a Tele neck with 24 frets

Thanks and I hope that someone can help me. Maybe this could be useful for other people that would have wanted to do the same thing.

 

[AutoBat]

You can turn a strat headstock into a tele headstock with a saw, or sandpaper + time.

 

[warwulf]

You can turn a strat headstock into a tele headstock with a saw, or sandpaper + time.

Hi I do not have the skills to do that. To find a luthier that can assist with that is difficult due to legal issues and most luthiers sell his own guitars with his own headstocks designs and they can be offended.

 

[stubhead]

Ummm - if a neck has a 24.75" scale, the length from the nut to the 12th fret will be half that, an the length from the 12th fret to the bridge will be the same. 24 3/4 divided by 2 =12 3/8". Interestingly, the lenght from the 12th fret to the 24th fret will be half of THAT = 6 3/16"; and so will the distance from the 24th fret to the bridge.

However, the key, important measurement that determines what works together is the distance from the bottom of the neck pocket to the bridge. This is how deep the neck is sunk into the body. On the 24 fret, 24 3/4" scale Warhead guitars, the distance from the neck pocket to the bridge is 5.75". If you want to use that neck on another body, you have to find out how close the neck is mounted to the bridge. The reason a 24" scale Mustang neck can work on a Mustang is that on that body, the end of the neck pocket is 6 3/8" from the bridge. The Mustang neck has no overhang, the 22nd fret is 3/8" in from the end of the neck. The Warhead neck has enough overhang that the 24th fret is all on the overhang, if you were to cut the fingerboard flush to the end of the neck you'd only have 23 frets.

I'm not making this up theoretically, I have both a Mustang and a Jaguar/Warhead lying side by side here. The critical measurement is how close is the end of the neck pocket to the bridge. (By bridge I mean the high E saddle adjusted to the top of it's travel.)  If the MK neck has 24 frets on a 24.75" scale, and the 24th fret is all on the overhang and the 23rd fret is all above the neck, it ought to work... but I'd still get picky about the exact measurements, not just guess from a picture.

 

[warwulf]

Ummm - if a neck has a 24.75" scale, the length from the nut to the 12th fret will be half that, an the length from the 12th fret to the bridge will be the same. 24 3/4 divided by 2 =12 3/8". Interestingly, the lenght from the 12th fret to the 24th fret will be half of THAT = 6 3/16"; and so will the distance from the 24th fret to the bridge.

Hi many thanks for the info, it would really help if someone have a MK neck...

 

[warwulf]

However, the key, important measurement that determines what works together is the distance from the bottom of the neck pocket to the bridge. This is how deep the neck is sunk into the body. On the 24 fret, 24 3/4" scale Warhead guitars, the distance from the neck pocket to the bridge is 5.75". If you want to use that neck on another body, you have to find out how close the neck is mounted to the bridge. The reason a 24" scale Mustang neck can work on a Mustang is that on that body, the end of the neck pocket is 6 3/8" from the bridge. The Mustang neck has no overhang, the 22nd fret is 3/8" in from the end of the neck. The Warhead neck has enough overhang that the 24th fret is all on the overhang, if you were to cut the fingerboard flush to the end of the neck you'd only have 23 frets.

With the above info I will try to get in touch with Musikraft  to see if they can help me.

Thanks StubHead

 

[NLD09]

Have you heard back from them yet?

 

[warwulf]

Have you heard back from them yet?

No luck so far. though I will insist  :icon_tongue:

 

[warwulf]

I got the reply from MK. No luck.

Sorry, we do not make anything like that.  Have you tried Warmoth or USA Custom guitars?

Jim Jamerson.
Musikraft

 

[Cagey]

Y'know, something you might want to think about is a Mustang. Smaller body, shorter scale, looks sorta like a Strat. They were originally designed as "student" guitars, and I guess they figured students are somewhat smaller people.

A couple other things to consider is the difference between various sizes. It's pretty small, when you think about it. Spread the difference between a 24.75" scale and a 25.5" scale over 24 frets, and you're only looking at an average .030" change between frets. That's less than the width of an A string on a set of 9's. Even if you have small hands, 30 thousandths of an inch is nothing. Of course, muscle memory being what it is, if you're already used to something, you'll feel it. But, generally speaking, that's not a whole lotta difference.

I've never been convinced that 24 frets are anything one uses - by the time you get up into that area of the fretboard, your fingers are wider than the space between frets, assuming you can reach the little buggers anyway. Are two extra frets really going to change what you play? The argument for them is if you do a lot of tapping, and I guess I can sorta see that. Still... 24 frets seems like more of a brag than a practical necessity.

If weight is an issue, you can always get bodies chambered.

Not trying to talk you out of anything, just offering some food for thought.

 

[stubhead]

Short string lengths don't really sound too good, but the main reason I like 24's is that there's more clearance for the rest of your fingers to work. Like, there are positions with your middle finger at the 19th fret that just work better with more clearance. But I do find the whole high note/guitar face histrionics pretty amusing  - the face looks like a steroid-crazed Soviet weightlifter, because the fingers bent - a D to an E note! Have a cow, man... triplets. If high notes are so important, why doesn't everybody switch to mandolins? :icon_scratch:



tink-a-ling, tink-a-ling, tink-a-ling.... :hello2:

 

[warwulf]

A couple other things to consider is the difference between various sizes. It's pretty small, when you think about it. Spread the difference between a 24.75" scale and a 25.5" scale over 24 frets, and you're only looking at an average .030" change between frets. That's less than the width of an A string on a set of 9's. Even if you have small hands, 30 thousandths of an inch is nothing. Of course, muscle memory being what it is, if you're already used to something, you'll feel it. But, generally speaking, that's not a whole lotta difference.

Thanks Cagey is a very useful info.... Doesn't seem to be much difference..