Cardboard Fender

[Slackjaw]

Seems to be quite the engineering feat... how do you attach all the metal bits? How would this last for any length of time?? I'm thinking they had to have impregnated the cardboard with something...

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCmZrDgAfbVWuU43i9Krg9fQ

 

[bagman67]

Yeah, I should think they used epoxy or some other resin to ensure rigidity and durability.  Fun, but not practical. But then, it's an electric guitar, which SCREAMS "FUN, BUT NOT PRACTICAL."

 

[Cagey]

Did I miss it, or did they not mention what the thing ended up weighing?

 

[bagman67]

I did not hear them mention it.  Seems likely to be neck-heavy (but light overall).

 

[aarontunes]

As a public service:

[youtube]gTZtnKbXAC0[/youtube]

 

[aarontunes]

Seems to be quite the engineering feat... how do you attach all the metal bits? How would this last for any length of time?? I'm thinking they had to have impregnated the cardboard with something...

I agree...it has to be coated with something. I would really like to know how they got those neck screws to bite and hold.

Plus, a guitar like this is all well and good in my living room, but when I gig I sweat like a freaking pig. My right forearm gets more slippery than seal snot. 3 minutes of sweating on that thing and it would be a mush guitar.

Still...a fun and interesting novelty.

 

[rapfohl09]

I think it looks cool as hell. I love when they show it straight on.

The engineer in me is confused, but who knows.

 

[Cagey]

I would really like to know how they got those neck screws to bite and hold.

That's a good question. But, necks don't have as much tension on them as one might imagine. In the video, they talk about 250lbs of pull, but I can't imagine where they got that number. Most folks play with either 9s or 10s, and the pull on those runs from 80 to 110 pounds total, depending on the gauge set mix. Also, the pull is roughly 90 degrees to the neck length, so it's a shear load rather than a torsional load, which is much easier to manage.

On an electric guitar, a super-tight neck joint is desirable more for close-coupling to the body to add its inertia than tolerating mechanical stress. That's why bolt-on necks often have more sustain and rarely break while glue-ons are somewhat more subdued and break all the time. Mechanical fasteners make for tighter, stronger joints than a layer of reconstituted cattle skin.

 

[stratamania]

However they did it, hats off to them.

 

[aarontunes]

That's a good question. But, necks don't have as much tension on them as one might imagine. In the video, they talk about 250lbs of pull, but I can't imagine where they got that number. Most folks play with either 9s or 10s, and the pull on those runs from 80 to 110 pounds total, depending on the gauge set mix. Also, the pull is roughly 90 degrees to the neck length, so it's a shear load rather than a torsional load, which is much easier to manage.

On an electric guitar, a super-tight neck joint is desirable more for close-coupling to the body to add its inertia than tolerating mechanical stress. That's why bolt-on necks often have more sustain and rarely break while glue-ons are somewhat more subdued and break all the time. Mechanical fasteners make for tighter, stronger joints than a layer of reconstituted cattle skin.

Oh great...I can see already this is going to turn into another one of those reconstituted-cattle-skin-bashing threads.  :toothy12:

 

[mayfly]

I was really close to coming back with  "... better than a foreskin bashing thread... "


But then I thought the better of it.  ccasion14:

 

[Cagey]

Oh great...I can see already this is going to turn into another one of those reconstituted-cattle-skin-bashing threads.  :toothy12:

Like my dear old granny used to say: fun's where you find it!  :icon_biggrin:

Of course, this was usually just before she sent us out to the back 40 to pull weeds in the vegetable garden...

 

[rgand]

What a cool project. Totally fascinating that it works so well.

 

[Cederick]

I would really like to know how they got those neck screws to bite and hold.

That's a good question. But, necks don't have as much tension on them as one might imagine. In the video, they talk about 250lbs of pull, but I can't imagine where they got that number. Most folks play with either 9s or 10s, and the pull on those runs from 80 to 110 pounds total, depending on the gauge set mix. Also, the pull is roughly 90 degrees to the neck length, so it's a shear load rather than a torsional load, which is much easier to manage.

On an electric guitar, a super-tight neck joint is desirable more for close-coupling to the body to add its inertia than tolerating mechanical stress. That's why bolt-on necks often have more sustain and rarely break while glue-ons are somewhat more subdued and break all the time. Mechanical fasteners make for tighter, stronger joints than a layer of reconstituted cattle skin.

Does screwed on Floyd locking nuts sound better than glued regular nuts?

Many seems to say the opposite there. My experience is that it doesn't really matter at all. As long as it's not cheap hollow plastic nut haha!

Actually, a metal nut should per logic be the better choice, because it matches the fretted notes.

 

[dmraco]

cool concept but I really think they are over playing the real "playability" of this.  Check out the action of the low E string around 3:50 on the video.  It must be 1/2 inch off the fretboard.  I think the neck joint is feeling the effects of the "250lbs".

The cardboard had to be coated in some sort of epoxy for the screws to hold.  I do think this illustrates that alternative material can be used.  I always wanted to try one of these.  Flaxwood

http://www.byoguitar.com/Guitars/Flaxwood-P90---Body-and-Neck__FLAXWOOD-KIT-P90.aspx

 

[Slackjaw]

Check out the action of the low E string around 3:50 on the video.  It must be 1/2 inch off the fretboard.

Yeah, I noticed that too. At the very least, there has to be a blob of epoxy/resin at all of the screw attachment points.

I wonder how functional the trem is. I'd be very afraid to use it...