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bendeg

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Hi all,

"Brazilian Rosewood(Dalbergia Nigra) is a controlled export product under the CITES treaty and Warmoth Guitar Products, Inc. is unable to ship outside the USA."

Can you confirm that W doesn't ship brasilian rosewood outside the USA ?

In other words, only US citizens can have/buy that wood !?

 
The guys who sells it outside the USA are taking risks... probably won't be catch because I don't think the general guy will know the difference...
But as Dalbergia Nigra is basically extinct on wild forrest, it's prohibited to be sold, except the trees cut BEFORE the law....
 
bendeg said:
Hi all,

"Brazilian Rosewood(Dalbergia Nigra) is a controlled export product under the CITES treaty and Warmoth Guitar Products, Inc. is unable to ship outside the USA."

Can you confirm that W doesn't ship brasilian rosewood outside the USA ?

In other words, only US citizens can have/buy that wood !?
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It would be more accurate to say Warmoth will not ship outside the US.  The citizenship of the purchaser has no bearing.

It is still legal to sell, though there are specific documentation requirements where the entire chain of custody must be documented.  The challenge with this is how to document wood that has been in storage for decades.  Oftentimes, the most realistic course for compliance is to ship only in the US.
 
Wyliee said:
bendeg said:
Hi all,

"Brazilian Rosewood(Dalbergia Nigra) is a controlled export product under the CITES treaty and Warmoth Guitar Products, Inc. is unable to ship outside the USA."

Can you confirm that W doesn't ship brasilian rosewood outside the USA ?

In other words, only US citizens can have/buy that wood !?
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It would be more accurate to say Warmoth will not ship outside the US.  The citizenship of the purchaser has no bearing.

It is still legal to sell, though there are specific documentation requirements where the entire chain of custody must be documented.  The challenge with this is how to document wood that has been in storage for decades.  Oftentimes, the most realistic course for compliance is to ship only in the US.
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Now other countries feel our pain as it compares to wanting to purchase cuban cigars........although I still have a source  :icon_thumright:
 
Wyliee said:
It would be more accurate to say Warmoth will not ship outside the US.  The citizenship of the purchaser has no bearing.
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ah good to know that the neck on my Thinline is still legal ;)  :icon_biggrin:
 
Wyliee said:
bendeg said:
Hi all,

"Brazilian Rosewood(Dalbergia Nigra) is a controlled export product under the CITES treaty and Warmoth Guitar Products, Inc. is unable to ship outside the USA."

Can you confirm that W doesn't ship brasilian rosewood outside the USA ?

In other words, only US citizens can have/buy that wood !?
Click to expand...

It would be more accurate to say Warmoth will not ship outside the US.  The citizenship of the purchaser has no bearing.

It is still legal to sell, though there are specific documentation requirements where the entire chain of custody must be documented.  The challenge with this is how to document wood that has been in storage for decades.  Oftentimes, the most realistic course for compliance is to ship only in the US.
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Too bad...

But if Brasilian rosewood is protected, that's certainly for a good reason...Too many trees cut...

And, actually, I saw a TV broadcast about that problem and Brazil is the country that owns 25% of all genetics species, in the Amazonian forest...They won't let others cut their trees without doing anything, that's normal...
But, if that's really true, why is it still possible then to sell it (with Brazil agreements I suppose...), but only in USA (or any other country...)...That's, well, not fair...and, above all, a bit hypocrite...

Anyway, you, US guys are lucky, because I would like to buy a W strat neck, all exotics woods, and some of them are sooooooooooooo beautiful ! And among them, a few are made of Brasilian rosewood.
I'm sick of those maple necks...Like Gollum, I like it RAW !!!
 
You know what you've said there??? bullshite....

Many and many people from other countries go to Amazonia research for many things, not only trees... And makes me think if your country say "ok" to people trying to get the natural resources of your country...

EDIT: In deed there is a dislike of our people because there is no rigid control of what the abroad cientists do on Amazonia... Some discover new species and put the license under their company, what doesn't make sense to me, as it's from Brazil, not USA, France, or anyother country...

[/rant] :tard:

And Dalbergia Nigra doesn't grows on Amazonia, it used to grow on the forrest in the coast, more specificly in the Bahia state...
 
AFAIK, it's a legal minefield offering woods as exotic and rare as Brazilian Rosewood & companies like Warmoth do a decent job trying to sell what they have within the bounds of the law as it exists today. If that means I, as an overseas resident, cannot get a Brazilian Rosewood neck, then that's fine with me.

I'd also have tremendous problems getting imported into Australia once they saw the magic words "Brazilian Rosewood" on a freshly new guitar neck....Australian Customs would have a field day I believe!
 
So what happens if one of the US residents here buys himself a nice Brasilian Rosewood neck, mounts it on his newest build, and then decides to take it along on his next holiday - in Europe? Will he already get in trouble when he arrives in Europe, or only once he returns to the US?
 
ByteFrenzy said:
So what happens if one of the US residents here buys himself a nice Brasilian Rosewood neck, mounts it on his newest build, and then decides to take it along on his next holiday - in Europe? Will he already get in trouble when he arrives in Europe, or only once he returns to the US?
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my guess would be not... first because they won't have the word's "Brazilian Rosewood" printed on everything they're traveling with if they've already mounted the thing on a guitar, and secondly because they already own it after obtaining it legally.

i would think that somebody overseas could get a brazilian rosewood neck by having a buddy in the US receive it, then ship it out themselves (instead of from warmoth). if the person who received the package removed the words "Brazilian Rosewood" from it then i wouldn't see how anybody would know the difference between that and Indian Rosewood without being somewhat of an expert. just my thoughts. i wouldn't try it myself. i don't know if it's within or outside the law, but i really doubt anybody would know it had happened
 
JaySwear said:
i would think that somebody overseas could get a brazilian rosewood neck by having a buddy in the US receive it, then ship it out themselves (instead of from warmoth). if the person who received the package removed the words "Brazilian Rosewood" from it then i wouldn't see how anybody would know the difference between that and Indian Rosewood without being somewhat of an expert. just my thoughts. i wouldn't try it myself. i don't know if it's within or outside the law, but i really doubt anybody would know it had happened
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That's a very dishonest practice to me. :sad:
 
Laws are funny.

If I, a U.S. citizen, traveled to Mexico and bought Cuban cigars, Customs would not allow me back into the U.S. with them.  If I were a Canadian citizen traveling to Canada through the U.S. from Mexico with Cuban cigars, I could.  The issue here isn't that I want and can't have Cuban cigars, but that I have less priviledges in my own country than a non-citizen.

Say Nando, who lives in Brazil, ordered a Brazilian Rosewood neck from W.  He couldn't get one, but I could?

Laws are funny.
 
line6man said:
That's a very dishonest practice to me. :sad:
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haha it would be, which is why i say i wouldn't try it. but if somebody outside the US were desperate for some brazilian rosewood i bet it would work
 
JaySwear said:
line6man said:
That's a very dishonest practice to me. :sad:
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haha it would be, which is why i say i wouldn't try it. but if somebody outside the US were desperate for some brazilian rosewood i bet it would work
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My thoughts matches those of JaySwear...I would do it...I don't think customs guys are wood experts...Well, maybe...

But I wouldn't want W (or anybody else) to be sued because of me...And for that reason only, I wouldn't do it.


 
baskruit said:
bendeg said:
I don't think customs guys are wood experts...Well, maybe...
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Actually, I think they are. I'm convinced they have experts in various fields.
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And if they're not, I would rather expect them to seize your guitar until you prove to them that Brazilian Rosewood and Indian Rosewood are two completely different things and your neck is made of the latter.
When the Indian RW top of my Scorpion  Bass came through customs, I got a call from a lady from customer who asked a lot of questions, and though she didn't specifically ask, I did wind up explaining about the difference between Indian and Brazilian RW.

 
Where can I get my hands on some rosewood seeds, I wanna plant a rosewood tree in my backyard.

I'd like a brasilian rosewood seed please:  Wow that's a lot of seeds, how many is a brasillian
 
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